Another record broke

[Thunder]

ST. LOUIS -- Brett Favre became the NFL career leader in yards passing Sunday, overtaking Dan Marino for his latest achievement in a milestone season.

The three-time NFL MVP pulled 1 yard behind Marino with a 44-yard touchdown pass to Greg Jennings, catching the St. Louis Rams in a blitz. That put the Green Bay Packers ahead 27-14 with 5:58 to go in the third quarter. He passed Marino on the Packers' next series on the first play, a 7-yard slant pattern to Donald Driver with 23 seconds gone in the fourth quarter.

The game was halted for a few minutes while flashbulbs popped from the stands from a crowd that appeared to be at least half Packers fans, and public address announcer Jim Holder acknowledged the record. Driver hugged Favre, who shook hands with an official.



61,405 Yards in 255 games

[spoonraker]

:woot: That's impressive, unlikely that any of his records will be broken any time soon.

[David]

probably not.. especially the interception record.

[coop]

probably not.. especially the interception record.

beat me to it

[spoonraker]

lmao

gotta take the bad with the good, or something like that

[Thunder]

Yeah these new brand of QBs will all break in half way before they reach 17 seasons of NFL football, not having missed a single start in 253 straight games. They just don't build them like they used to.

[spoonraker]

I thought he was at like 271 now?

[Thunder]

if you count playoffs its 27x

[Alley]

Jarmarcus Russell will probably break a few of them eventually.

[David]

Manning and Brady are both on par to crush him.. except that interception thing and starts.

[Thunder]

No one cares about on par. Whos the leading rusher in NFL history?

[David]

Jack Sparrow

[Thunder]

Jack is quick but he had no power game. He was only good for a season or 2 before retiring due to insanity.

[David]

:rofl:

[spoonraker]

I wouldn't consider anybody "on par" to break any of his record until they are within a season of breaking them

[David]

Superbowls.

Tom 3 and coming soon to superbowls near you... 4
Brett 1

[toom1h]

I'd like him brett to be the quarterback with the most superbowl rings.. To bad even if he won each year he is still playing, he wouldn't get it

[Thunder]

Superbowls.

Tom 3 and coming soon to superbowls near you... 4
Brett 1

yawn

[Thunder]

I'd like him brett to be the quarterback with the most superbowl rings.. To bad even if he won each year he is still playing, he wouldn't get it

english please?

[David]

Dont' be an ass..

He obviously said he'd like brett to be the QB with teh most rings, but even if he won every year he continues to play he won't get to be the Qb with the most rings.

[coop]

Superbowls.

Tom 3 and coming soon to superbowls near you... 4
Brett 1

yawn

jeez david...you act like getting superbowl rings is the MOST important thing in the NFL

if favre would have a better offensive line he would have won the last 15 superbowls

[David]

ROFL

ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
OMG
ROFL

[Thunder]

Superbowls.

Tom 3 and coming soon to superbowls near you... 4
Brett 1

yawn

jeez david...you act like getting superbowl rings is the MOST important thing in the NFL

if favre would have a better offensive line he would have won the last 15 superbowls

yawn

[Thunder]

ROFL

ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
OMG
ROFL

His post was no where near as funny as Miss Teen S.C .

[Thunder]

So wheres Trent Dilfer nowadays?

[David]

dead.

[Thunder]

Well hes just as good as Brett Favre since they both won 1 super bowl... he should be reveling in the same sucess Favre is this year... cmon now.

[David]

by that math they are equals... trent just doesn't have a good off. line..

[Thunder]

impossible! All offensive lines are the same.

[David]

good i'm glad we got that across.

[Thunder]

Yep, no credit to the Baltimore Ravens 2000 Defense. It was only so dominant that the Ravens were winning while not scoring TDs. All the accolades go to Trent Dilfer

edit: woops wrong year haha

[AWeb80]

Congrats To Brett.

[Cavadini]

manning and brady are not even close to any of bretts records. hell, favre was 3800 yards away from the passing yards record this year and nobody thought he was going to break it. Manning has like what? 25 thousand yards to go, but not to mention that his "gain" on the record isn't getting any closer as favre continues to throw for MORE yards than he.

And don't even make me LAUGH about Tom Brady "on par" to break that record. He is FORTY THOUSAND yards away, and like I said again, with Favre throwing for similar yardage, his "gain" on this record isn't going anywhere until Favre quits.

Yes, TB is having a sweet TD pass year, but if you look at EVERY year prior, he had par seasons with 20-26 TD's. He is also 270 TD's away from that record. Yeah, on par....

Peyton Manning in my opinion will get to the TD record if favre quits soon and peyton stays healthy. He continues to play very consistent and has over 300 TD's already.

But in all seriousness, on par to break records...that's the dumbest thing i've heard in a while. That's like somebody I heard call "tony romo" a legendary quarterback, makes me wanna puke. Just because you're having a good year doesn't mean you're on par or you're a legend.

[David]

I think scott is more defensive about brett than thunder.

[spoonraker]

No, he just said the same thing I did which makes perfect sense.

The fact is, nobody is "on par" to break any of Favre's records while Favre is still playing. Plus nobody is really even close to any of them. Until Favre quits playing and somebody is less than one season from breaking one of his record, I'm not going to call anybody on par.

[Neversatisfied]

I think Manning will play long enough to break some, if not all, of Favre's records. He is the better passer. He plays for a great organization that is committed to reloading the weapons around him. He plays in a great system. He is a damn smart player that has all the physical tools to do it. He is a big and durable guy. He seems to have the drive to play a long time also.

Tom Brady wasn't always in a passing offense. He makes better decisions with the ball than anyone though. He has a big arm, and is very accurate, but I think the system he played in early on will keep him at a disadvantage when it comes to breaking all time passing records. I don't think he will stick around the league forever like Favre is, and Manning will. I think he will get 5-6 rings, and hang up the cleats knowing he was one of the best ever(maybe best ever, depends on how you judge them) without having the stats to break records. He will just have a hand full of rings and let those speak for themselves. Some QBs are judged by not having a ring, but just about any QB you talk to that has won a SB will tell you the highlight or epitomy of their career was winning the big one. If a guy can come into the league as a 6th round draft choice, 4th on the depth chart, etc. and take countless teams to the big game and come away with championships as often as Brady has, I think that speaks volumes.

I don't care who you are, NOBODY wants to play the mad scientist and Tom Brady in the playoffs.

[AWeb80]

For some reason, I don't see brady in the league 8 yrs from now. don't know why i think that though.

[coop]

still doesnt change the fact that pro football sucks

[4 cam torino]

For some reason, I don't see brady in the league 8 yrs from now. don't know why i think that though.

It'll be hard to play when some skanky hoe of a model gives him some gifts and his **** falls off.

[Thunder]

I think Manning will play long enough to break some, if not all, of Favre's records. He is the better passer. He plays for a great organization that is committed to reloading the weapons around him. He plays in a great system. He is a damn smart player that has all the physical tools to do it. He is a big and durable guy. He seems to have the drive to play a long time also.

Tom Brady wasn't always in a passing offense. He makes better decisions with the ball than anyone though. He has a big arm, and is very accurate, but I think the system he played in early on will keep him at a disadvantage when it comes to breaking all time passing records. I don't think he will stick around the league forever like Favre is, and Manning will. I think he will get 5-6 rings, and hang up the cleats knowing he was one of the best ever(maybe best ever, depends on how you judge them) without having the stats to break records. He will just have a hand full of rings and let those speak for themselves. Some QBs are judged by not having a ring, but just about any QB you talk to that has won a SB will tell you the highlight or epitomy of their career was winning the big one. If a guy can come into the league as a 6th round draft choice, 4th on the depth chart, etc. and take countless teams to the big game and come away with championships as often as Brady has, I think that speaks volumes.

I don't care who you are, NOBODY wants to play the mad scientist and Tom Brady in the playoffs.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw has 3 Super Bowls. Who cares? None of them stand out as anything real special. Brady reminds me of Bradshaw minus this years breakout performance. A good QB playing for a great team and raking in the Super Bowls while on the ride.

[Cavadini]

I think scott is more defensive about brett than thunder.

i think you make more uneducated comments in the sports lounge than (insert any name here)


and like Allan says, if anybody has a chance, note chance not on par, it's peyton. he is very consistent and an awesome QB. He has had the same TD pass averages(aside from his amazing 49 year) per year as favre, similar yardage etc. if he can stay healthy, he'll be the one to do anything.

Somebody on ESPN said it well about his consecutive start/TD pass records, to put it in perspective he has thrown 26 TD's per season, for SEVENTEEN straight years. I don't care who you are, that is impressive as hell. And he continues and my guess is will continue through the 08 season.

The reason why it's so annoying to hear the Favre bashing is just think, this guy is 8 years older. That's 128 games worth of years + playoffs. A lot of body abusing can happen in those games. He is STILL putting up numbers that are on top of the charts in the entire NFL, INCLUDING the "new all starts". 3900 yards passing so far this year, 26 TD's this year, not to mention his passer rating is the highest it's been in over 10 years. This guy is almost 40 years old. Breaking all the records in the books. And "oh yeah interceptions". Hell he admits his technique isn't "textbook" and "shouldn't be coached like marino's".

Never once have I said "Tom Brady Sucks" or "peyton manning sucks" because they dont. They're both great quarterbacks. But for people to bash on Favre I think just doesn't make sense.

[David]

I think you need to take favres **** out of your mouth for 5 mins, wipe the cum out of your eyes and realize i get a good laugh out of you and thunder everytime i say something negative bout your god...

if you honestly think i believe brett is some bottom of the barrel QB you're WRONG... You guys make it to easy for me to talk about the pats and get everyone all worked up... As much as i'd rather talk about other teams and the sport you guys get all bent out of shape and it makes it to hard to pass up...

i'm not even a pats fan but i find myself becoming one because of this section alone... Not because i love tom, **** i could careless about him in the respect of being a fan... but busting your chops with his stats is fun.. and siding with him ever post makes have too like him/them... I'd have no reason to rip on brett if it wasn't for threads/post that promoto the packers/favre (thunder).

Calm down scott.

and dont' try telling me i'm making uneducated post when your making predictions of the pats losing...


btw... i lub joo.

[Thunder]

Scott can't put it any better... but I'm waiting for hte post to either crack on Favre still or where all bad comments about favre are to get a rile from us packers fans.

[Thunder]

Scott can't put it any better... but I'm waiting for hte post to either crack on Favre still or where all bad comments about favre are to get a rile from us packers fans.

I may have been a few seconds late, but i was still right :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Cavadini]

You can say I'm sucking Favre's **** if it makes you feel warm and cozy inside. I can't make facts and stats lie and tell a different story unfortunately. Unfortunately you don't break all those records unless you're one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. And for all the people who are going to say "anybody can put up those numbers after playing for 17 years" please wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair and the list goes on and on and on.

[Thunder]

Vinny has been playing since Favre was in college and he isn't even NEAR Favre's numbers :lol:

[David]

I think Manning will play long enough to break some, if not all, of Favre's records. He is the better passer. He plays for a great organization that is committed to reloading the weapons around him. He plays in a great system. He is a damn smart player that has all the physical tools to do it. He is a big and durable guy. He seems to have the drive to play a long time also.

Tom Brady wasn't always in a passing offense. He makes better decisions with the ball than anyone though. He has a big arm, and is very accurate, but I think the system he played in early on will keep him at a disadvantage when it comes to breaking all time passing records. I don't think he will stick around the league forever like Favre is, and Manning will. I think he will get 5-6 rings, and hang up the cleats knowing he was one of the best ever(maybe best ever, depends on how you judge them) without having the stats to break records. He will just have a hand full of rings and let those speak for themselves. Some QBs are judged by not having a ring, but just about any QB you talk to that has won a SB will tell you the highlight or epitomy of their career was winning the big one. If a guy can come into the league as a 6th round draft choice, 4th on the depth chart, etc. and take countless teams to the big game and come away with championships as often as Brady has, I think that speaks volumes.

I don't care who you are, NOBODY wants to play the mad scientist and Tom Brady in the playoffs.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw has 3 Super Bowls. Who cares? None of them stand out as anything real special. Brady reminds me of Bradshaw minus this years breakout performance. A good QB playing for a great team and raking in the Super Bowls while on the ride.


So your saying tom being the QB of 3 superbowl teams and going to be 4 is just him being lucky and any QB in his position would have just as many rings. :rolleye:.

[Thunder]

I think Manning will play long enough to break some, if not all, of Favre's records. He is the better passer. He plays for a great organization that is committed to reloading the weapons around him. He plays in a great system. He is a damn smart player that has all the physical tools to do it. He is a big and durable guy. He seems to have the drive to play a long time also.

Tom Brady wasn't always in a passing offense. He makes better decisions with the ball than anyone though. He has a big arm, and is very accurate, but I think the system he played in early on will keep him at a disadvantage when it comes to breaking all time passing records. I don't think he will stick around the league forever like Favre is, and Manning will. I think he will get 5-6 rings, and hang up the cleats knowing he was one of the best ever(maybe best ever, depends on how you judge them) without having the stats to break records. He will just have a hand full of rings and let those speak for themselves. Some QBs are judged by not having a ring, but just about any QB you talk to that has won a SB will tell you the highlight or epitomy of their career was winning the big one. If a guy can come into the league as a 6th round draft choice, 4th on the depth chart, etc. and take countless teams to the big game and come away with championships as often as Brady has, I think that speaks volumes.

I don't care who you are, NOBODY wants to play the mad scientist and Tom Brady in the playoffs.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw has 3 Super Bowls. Who cares? None of them stand out as anything real special. Brady reminds me of Bradshaw minus this years breakout performance. A good QB playing for a great team and raking in the Super Bowls while on the ride.


So your saying tom being the QB of 3 superbowl teams and going to be 4 is just him being lucky and any QB in his position would have just as many rings. :rolleye:.

It happened to Dilfer, Plunkett and Bradshaw. Why can't it happen to your fair weather god Brady?

[David]

You can say I'm sucking Favre's **** if it makes you feel warm and cozy inside. I can't make facts and stats lie and tell a different story unfortunately. Unfortunately you don't break all those records unless you're one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. And for all the people who are going to say "anybody can put up those numbers after playing for 17 years" please wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair and the list goes on and on and on.

oh quit your bitching... You act like i'm the first to pull the **** sucking comment. Don't act all high and mighty. :rolleye: Seriously scott. Why are you so worried about what i think of farve anyways?? does it really make you feel that bad to see someone say that Tom brady is better than Brett?

If you guys haven't caught on to the trend everyone gets a kick out of ****ing with you two mostly thunder since your post are so spread out... This is like a daily thing.. idk why your butts hurt so much over this.

[Cavadini]

man, you know you ran out of firepower in your argument when superbowl rings are the deciding factor of who's better.

[David]

I think Manning will play long enough to break some, if not all, of Favre's records. He is the better passer. He plays for a great organization that is committed to reloading the weapons around him. He plays in a great system. He is a damn smart player that has all the physical tools to do it. He is a big and durable guy. He seems to have the drive to play a long time also.

Tom Brady wasn't always in a passing offense. He makes better decisions with the ball than anyone though. He has a big arm, and is very accurate, but I think the system he played in early on will keep him at a disadvantage when it comes to breaking all time passing records. I don't think he will stick around the league forever like Favre is, and Manning will. I think he will get 5-6 rings, and hang up the cleats knowing he was one of the best ever(maybe best ever, depends on how you judge them) without having the stats to break records. He will just have a hand full of rings and let those speak for themselves. Some QBs are judged by not having a ring, but just about any QB you talk to that has won a SB will tell you the highlight or epitomy of their career was winning the big one. If a guy can come into the league as a 6th round draft choice, 4th on the depth chart, etc. and take countless teams to the big game and come away with championships as often as Brady has, I think that speaks volumes.

I don't care who you are, NOBODY wants to play the mad scientist and Tom Brady in the playoffs.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw has 3 Super Bowls. Who cares? None of them stand out as anything real special. Brady reminds me of Bradshaw minus this years breakout performance. A good QB playing for a great team and raking in the Super Bowls while on the ride.


So your saying tom being the QB of 3 superbowl teams and going to be 4 is just him being lucky and any QB in his position would have just as many rings. :rolleye:.

It happened to Dilfer, Plunkett and Bradshaw. Why can't it happen to your fair weather god Brady?

So in that case it happen to favre too. He did nothing to win that ring on this finger.. He's just a washed up no buddy and the only time he got a ring was because he got lucky to be on the team with the best Off line... Sweet. great post thunder... I love how you down play all other QB of all time even hall of famers like Bradshaw... but if it's about brett thats total different. He's the greatest thing to ever play the game. His the only QB to ever win a superbowl..

[Cavadini]

how does my butt hurt? I post stats and you revert away from them and make goofy comments?

You make comments about "on par" and "patriots vs vikings in the playoffs" and super bowl ring this. You called me a fairweather fan but you're posting up things like this that make it look like this season is the first season of football you've ever watched, talk about getting a kick out of something. :lol:

[Thunder]

You can say I'm sucking Favre's **** if it makes you feel warm and cozy inside. I can't make facts and stats lie and tell a different story unfortunately. Unfortunately you don't break all those records unless you're one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. And for all the people who are going to say "anybody can put up those numbers after playing for 17 years" please wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair and the list goes on and on and on.

oh quit your bitching... You act like i'm the first to pull the **** sucking comment. Don't act all high and mighty. :rolleye: Seriously scott. Why are you so worried about what i think of farve anyways?? does it really make you feel that bad to see someone say that Tom brady is better than Brett?

If you guys haven't caught on to the trend everyone gets a kick out of ****ing with you two mostly thunder since your post are so spread out... This is like a daily thing.. idk why your butts hurt so much over this.

I'm used to it, I just like to fight back. Fair weather isn't very exciting. Gotta start up some crap

[David]

man, you know you ran out of firepower in your argument when superbowl rings are the deciding factor of who's better.


Firepower you act like i worship brady like you do farve. :lol::lol::lol::lol: This is all a game to me... **** brady... he's a great qb... I love him hooking up with moss... He's great for getting everyone's panties in a knot... thats about it... :rofl:

[David]

how does my butt hurt? I post stats and you revert away from them and make goofy comments?

You make comments about "on par" and "patriots vs vikings in the playoffs" and super bowl ring this. You called me a fairweather fan but you're posting up things like this that make it look like this season is the first season of football you've ever watched, talk about getting a kick out of something. :lol:

You act like i ****ing care. :rofl:

and the pats and the viks.. .did you read the rest of that thread.. no wonder you seem clueless. the Viks are my team... I said the Pats vs the viks was a joke.. which you didn't seem to catch...

This whole thing is apprently over your head.

[Cavadini]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....

[David]

You can say I'm sucking Favre's **** if it makes you feel warm and cozy inside. I can't make facts and stats lie and tell a different story unfortunately. Unfortunately you don't break all those records unless you're one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. And for all the people who are going to say "anybody can put up those numbers after playing for 17 years" please wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair and the list goes on and on and on.

oh quit your bitching... You act like i'm the first to pull the **** sucking comment. Don't act all high and mighty. :rolleye: Seriously scott. Why are you so worried about what i think of farve anyways?? does it really make you feel that bad to see someone say that Tom brady is better than Brett?

If you guys haven't caught on to the trend everyone gets a kick out of ****ing with you two mostly thunder since your post are so spread out... This is like a daily thing.. idk why your butts hurt so much over this.

I'm used to it, I just like to fight back. Fair weather isn't very exciting. Gotta start up some crap

I know you make it enjoyable... scott seems to be taking this personally.

[Thunder]

I think Manning will play long enough to break some, if not all, of Favre's records. He is the better passer. He plays for a great organization that is committed to reloading the weapons around him. He plays in a great system. He is a damn smart player that has all the physical tools to do it. He is a big and durable guy. He seems to have the drive to play a long time also.

Tom Brady wasn't always in a passing offense. He makes better decisions with the ball than anyone though. He has a big arm, and is very accurate, but I think the system he played in early on will keep him at a disadvantage when it comes to breaking all time passing records. I don't think he will stick around the league forever like Favre is, and Manning will. I think he will get 5-6 rings, and hang up the cleats knowing he was one of the best ever(maybe best ever, depends on how you judge them) without having the stats to break records. He will just have a hand full of rings and let those speak for themselves. Some QBs are judged by not having a ring, but just about any QB you talk to that has won a SB will tell you the highlight or epitomy of their career was winning the big one. If a guy can come into the league as a 6th round draft choice, 4th on the depth chart, etc. and take countless teams to the big game and come away with championships as often as Brady has, I think that speaks volumes.

I don't care who you are, NOBODY wants to play the mad scientist and Tom Brady in the playoffs.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw has 3 Super Bowls. Who cares? None of them stand out as anything real special. Brady reminds me of Bradshaw minus this years breakout performance. A good QB playing for a great team and raking in the Super Bowls while on the ride.


So your saying tom being the QB of 3 superbowl teams and going to be 4 is just him being lucky and any QB in his position would have just as many rings. :rolleye:.

It happened to Dilfer, Plunkett and Bradshaw. Why can't it happen to your fair weather god Brady?

So in that case it happen to favre too. He did nothing to win that ring on this finger.. He's just a washed up no buddy and the only time he got a ring was because he got lucky to be on the team with the best Off line... Sweet. great post thunder... I love how you down play all other QB of all time even hall of famers like Bradshaw... but if it's about brett thats total different. He's the greatest thing to ever play the game. His the only QB to ever win a superbowl..

I've never used winning a super bowl to prove that a QB is great. You know whats the difference between those guys and Brett?

Favre has thrown for most yards in NFL history
Favre has most TD Passes in NFL history
Favre is most consistant TD passer in NFL history (keeps breaking his own record of most 30+ TD seasons )
Favre is the most durable
Favre has the most wins in NFL history
Hes been the most exciting player to watch in the 90s and as of late.

Did I mention he has the most wins in NFL history?

Should we delve into come from behind victories?

[David]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

[Cavadini]

how does my butt hurt? I post stats and you revert away from them and make goofy comments?

You make comments about "on par" and "patriots vs vikings in the playoffs" and super bowl ring this. You called me a fairweather fan but you're posting up things like this that make it look like this season is the first season of football you've ever watched, talk about getting a kick out of something. :lol:

You act like i ****ing care. :rofl:

and the pats and the viks.. .did you read the rest of that thread.. no wonder you seem clueless. the Viks are my team... I said the Pats vs the viks was a joke.. which you didn't seem to catch...

This whole thing is apprently over your head.

if you dont care, why do you tell me to cool out and quit acting high and mighty. i've obviously hurt your e-ego. i'm clueless....riiight. you watched tom brady play football this year and think he's catching favres records. i geuss that slipped over my head somehow....

[David]

I think Manning will play long enough to break some, if not all, of Favre's records. He is the better passer. He plays for a great organization that is committed to reloading the weapons around him. He plays in a great system. He is a damn smart player that has all the physical tools to do it. He is a big and durable guy. He seems to have the drive to play a long time also.

Tom Brady wasn't always in a passing offense. He makes better decisions with the ball than anyone though. He has a big arm, and is very accurate, but I think the system he played in early on will keep him at a disadvantage when it comes to breaking all time passing records. I don't think he will stick around the league forever like Favre is, and Manning will. I think he will get 5-6 rings, and hang up the cleats knowing he was one of the best ever(maybe best ever, depends on how you judge them) without having the stats to break records. He will just have a hand full of rings and let those speak for themselves. Some QBs are judged by not having a ring, but just about any QB you talk to that has won a SB will tell you the highlight or epitomy of their career was winning the big one. If a guy can come into the league as a 6th round draft choice, 4th on the depth chart, etc. and take countless teams to the big game and come away with championships as often as Brady has, I think that speaks volumes.

I don't care who you are, NOBODY wants to play the mad scientist and Tom Brady in the playoffs.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw has 3 Super Bowls. Who cares? None of them stand out as anything real special. Brady reminds me of Bradshaw minus this years breakout performance. A good QB playing for a great team and raking in the Super Bowls while on the ride.


So your saying tom being the QB of 3 superbowl teams and going to be 4 is just him being lucky and any QB in his position would have just as many rings. :rolleye:.

It happened to Dilfer, Plunkett and Bradshaw. Why can't it happen to your fair weather god Brady?

So in that case it happen to favre too. He did nothing to win that ring on this finger.. He's just a washed up no buddy and the only time he got a ring was because he got lucky to be on the team with the best Off line... Sweet. great post thunder... I love how you down play all other QB of all time even hall of famers like Bradshaw... but if it's about brett thats total different. He's the greatest thing to ever play the game. His the only QB to ever win a superbowl..

I've never used winning a super bowl to prove that a QB is great. You know whats the difference between those guys and Brett?

Favre has thrown for most yards in NFL history
Favre has most TD Passes in NFL history
Favre is most consistant TD passer in NFL history (keeps breaking his own record of most 30+ TD seasons )
Favre is the most durable
Favre has the most wins in NFL history
Hes been the most exciting player to watch in the 90s and as of late.

Did I mention he has the most wins in NFL history?

Should we delve into come from behind victories?


So this is what the real goal of playing professional level football is all about.. staying in the game for as long as you can so you can set some records but at the end only make it to the finish line once??

[Cavadini]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

and if that's the case and you think stats are dumb, why bring up bradys? just curious. statistics show what you do on the field. the better the stats, the better the quarterback. any great team can get beat in any certain game. this is about a QUARTERBACK, not about a team winning a superbowl. records.....stats.....get it?

[David]

how does my butt hurt? I post stats and you revert away from them and make goofy comments?

You make comments about "on par" and "patriots vs vikings in the playoffs" and super bowl ring this. You called me a fairweather fan but you're posting up things like this that make it look like this season is the first season of football you've ever watched, talk about getting a kick out of something. :lol:

You act like i ****ing care. :rofl:

and the pats and the viks.. .did you read the rest of that thread.. no wonder you seem clueless. the Viks are my team... I said the Pats vs the viks was a joke.. which you didn't seem to catch...

This whole thing is apprently over your head.

if you dont care, why do you tell me to cool out and quit acting high and mighty. i've obviously hurt your e-ego. i'm clueless....riiight. you watched tom brady play football this year and think he's catching favres records. i geuss that slipped over my head somehow....


I'm telling you to cool down because your obviously getting worked up about this.. notice my answer are short and sweet and you have something to prove each post and either take some stand against me or against brady... :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[David]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?'

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

And in the end how many superbowls does that yeild... :eek2smiley: 1

Oh **** bring out the red carpet.

[Cavadini]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?'

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

And in the end how many superbowls does that yeild... :eek2smiley: 1

Oh **** bring out the red carpet.

how many superbowls have the vikings as a team won again?

[Thunder]

You're using super bowls to gauge how good a QB is. Thats only part of the equation. Trent Dilfer is not a guy I'd ideally want on my team. He has a ring on his finger because the Ravens defense was so incredibly dominant that no one could score points against them. Matt Stover was their offensive MVP (a KICKER)

[David]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

and if that's the case and you think stats are dumb, why bring up bradys? just curious. statistics show what you do on the field. the better the stats, the better the quarterback. any great team can get beat in any certain game. this is about a QUARTERBACK, not about a team winning a superbowl. records.....stats.....get it?


and your right we should only look at statics when you've been in the NFL almost 2 decades. **** looking at those who are kicking ass. What do they matter any ways.. I means winning superbowls is like buy one get one half off at footlocker. SWEET WHAT A DEAL

[David]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?'

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

And in the end how many superbowls does that yeild... :eek2smiley: 1

Oh **** bring out the red carpet.

how many superbowls have the vikings as a team won again?


0. Not one EVER. and honestly they are pissing me off because i was really planning on a horrible season and some good draft picks... Now they will go to the playoffs under a wild card and get booted in one or 2 round and get **** for picks.

[Thunder]

As far as I know, Adam Vinitieri saved Tom Brady's hide multiple times.

[Cavadini]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

and if that's the case and you think stats are dumb, why bring up bradys? just curious. statistics show what you do on the field. the better the stats, the better the quarterback. any great team can get beat in any certain game. this is about a QUARTERBACK, not about a team winning a superbowl. records.....stats.....get it?


and your right we should only look at statics when you've been in the NFL almost 2 decades. **** looking at those who are kicking ass. What do they matter any ways.. I means winning superbowls is like buy one get one half off at footlocker. SWEET WHAT A DEAL

like i said again. Go wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair if you're going to make the "old" comment. they have also played equally as long and longer. look at their stats. they were in their "prime" before you watched football probably so you might not know them. it was before brady. :rofl:

[David]

As far as I know, Adam Vinitieri saved Tom Brady's hide multiple times.

FACT

[Thunder]

If Tom Brady tried those kicks, he wouldn't have a ring.

[Cavadini]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?'

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

And in the end how many superbowls does that yeild... :eek2smiley: 1

Oh **** bring out the red carpet.

how many superbowls have the vikings as a team won again?


0. Not one EVER. and honestly they are pissing me off because i was really planning on a horrible season and some good draft picks... Now they will go to the playoffs under a wild card and get booted in one or 2 round and get **** for picks.

saints FTW. bears are gonna beat hte vikings right now

[David]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

and if that's the case and you think stats are dumb, why bring up bradys? just curious. statistics show what you do on the field. the better the stats, the better the quarterback. any great team can get beat in any certain game. this is about a QUARTERBACK, not about a team winning a superbowl. records.....stats.....get it?


and your right we should only look at statics when you've been in the NFL almost 2 decades. **** looking at those who are kicking ass. What do they matter any ways.. I means winning superbowls is like buy one get one half off at footlocker. SWEET WHAT A DEAL

like i said again. Go wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair if you're going to make the "old" comment. they have also played equally as long and longer. look at their stats. they were in their "prime" before you watched football probably so you might not know them. it was before brady. :rofl:


Your feelings must still be hurt.. want a hug?

[Cavadini]

ok, i'm not stepping down, i have to go work on my car. i'll be in the garage. goodnight. go bears(never thought i'd say that). we've already beat the vikings twice this year, i hate playing the same team three times. it gets scary.

[Cavadini]

my feelings are hurt? you just walked into the "old QB" having great stats smash. i'm not even gonna post stats on this one. i'll let you enjoy it on your own> :)

[Thunder]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

and if that's the case and you think stats are dumb, why bring up bradys? just curious. statistics show what you do on the field. the better the stats, the better the quarterback. any great team can get beat in any certain game. this is about a QUARTERBACK, not about a team winning a superbowl. records.....stats.....get it?


and your right we should only look at statics when you've been in the NFL almost 2 decades. **** looking at those who are kicking ass. What do they matter any ways.. I means winning superbowls is like buy one get one half off at footlocker. SWEET WHAT A DEAL

like i said again. Go wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair if you're going to make the "old" comment. they have also played equally as long and longer. look at their stats. they were in their "prime" before you watched football probably so you might not know them. it was before brady. :rofl:

Doug Flutie, Warren Moon....

Why aren't we bringing up the guys who Favre is passing up? Marino played 17 seasons, and Favre isn't even finished with his 17th and already passing him. Elway? Tarkenton? Long careers, and Favre owns them all.

[David]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?'

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

And in the end how many superbowls does that yeild... :eek2smiley: 1

Oh **** bring out the red carpet.

how many superbowls have the vikings as a team won again?


0. Not one EVER. and honestly they are pissing me off because i was really planning on a horrible season and some good draft picks... Now they will go to the playoffs under a wild card and get booted in one or 2 round and get **** for picks.

saints FTW. bears are gonna beat hte vikings right now


You predicted the ravens' beating the pats too.. How did the work out for ya?

[David]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

and if that's the case and you think stats are dumb, why bring up bradys? just curious. statistics show what you do on the field. the better the stats, the better the quarterback. any great team can get beat in any certain game. this is about a QUARTERBACK, not about a team winning a superbowl. records.....stats.....get it?


and your right we should only look at statics when you've been in the NFL almost 2 decades. **** looking at those who are kicking ass. What do they matter any ways.. I means winning superbowls is like buy one get one half off at footlocker. SWEET WHAT A DEAL

like i said again. Go wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair if you're going to make the "old" comment. they have also played equally as long and longer. look at their stats. they were in their "prime" before you watched football probably so you might not know them. it was before brady. :rofl:

Doug Flutie, Warren Moon....

Why aren't we bringing up the guys who Favre is passing up? Marino played 17 seasons, and Favre isn't even finished with his 17th and already passing him. Elway? Tarkenton? Long careers, and Favre owns them all.

Becuase they can't get your panties worked up.

[David]

my feelings are hurt? you just walked into the "old QB" having great stats smash. i'm not even gonna post stats on this one. i'll let you enjoy it on your own> :)


Tell ya. what.. Lets compare stats then.. You gonna compare your 17 years of favre to the 8 years of brady? That makes logical sense. Wow.. why didn't i think of that before? Geez scott Idk why i ever questioned you..

[David]

ok, i'm not stepping down, i have to go work on my car. i'll be in the garage. goodnight. go bears(never thought i'd say that). we've already beat the vikings twice this year, i hate playing the same team three times. it gets scary.


oh your stepping down it's cool.. we were actually going to start comparing stats.. and that would probably hurt your feelings anyways...

[Thunder]

because 7 of his 8 years, he was inferior to a similarly aged favre. Manning is the only one who realistically can match Favre. I hate Manning but he is a great QB thats for sure. Well, as long as he stays in the pocket haha

[David]

The end result is for such a proud team, you'd think in his 17 years he coudl have gone home with more than 1 ring.. I think Favre is an amazing athlete but if the only reason he's his still playing ball is because he wants to set records, i think thats selfish to his family and his team... But i don't think thats why he still plays.. I think he loves the game and wants another ring. I just dont' see him getting it.

[Alley]

He's going to get injured bad if he keeps playing.

[David]

To be honest.. I want a bow flex revolution... If it can keep him going at that age... Damn..


But no seriously.. with age, things break easier and they just don't mend the same.. I'd really hate to see him unable to walk or something after all this... LIke i've said before i have much respect for the guy but you make it to easy... I don't wish anything bad to him... I'd like to see him retire and be able to enjoy his wealth... He's earned it.

[David]

but i'm still gonig to poke at him every chance i get.

[Thunder]

He's going to get injured bad if he keeps playing.

Hes 17 years in and hasn't missed a game yet... when he gets yanked from a game, he turns around the next week and decimates a team. Some people are just tough. When he got into a car wreck and they removed 30 ft of intestine from him, he played 6 months later for Miss ST.

[David]

No one doubts that he's more a man that probably anyone any of us will ever meet... But he's not unbreakable and thats been proven over and over. one could say he's very lucky.

[Thunder]

Of course theres some luck involved.

[David]

i'd say 50% luck 50% him... thats just my .02 and that can be argued.. but any one of those hits that broke something could have broke something else. Very time his head hit the ground like it has could have been the last time he remembered his kids... sure thats true for all QB's but brett has taken some god awful beatings.

[Cavadini]

brett favre gets hurt all the time. He bruised his elbow so he couldn't feel his fingers and seperates his other shoulder, comes back the next game and throws 2 td's and 300 yards. tony romo hits his thumb and throws 3 picks and no td's. boo hoo.

favre isn't back to set records, he felt he has his most talented team ever and it shows. his first 8 throws were caught by 7 different receievers during the rams game. His receiving staff has 1000, 880, 650, 700 yards per person. that is a good spread. now with the development of a running game, they can be lethal. the pack is one of the most underrated teams still by so many people. he has played 17 years great and only had one ring. think of all the lackluster supporting staff he's had over the years? When they have a "good team" they always have favre and one great component. the last time they had a great team they went to back to back superbowls. robert brooks, antonio freeman, mark chumura, dorsey levens, reggie white, gilbert brown, desmond howard, leroy butler. i mean that team reminds me a lot of what they have this year. sweet special teams finally, great receiver core, great running game, amazing defense.

[David]

like i clearly stated above, I don't think he came back this year to break records. Even if they are under rated, I really can't see them winning. I could see dallas winning before i'd see greenbay winning it all. I think the obvious prediction for superbowl champions is the pats. I think their greatest weakness going into the superbowl si they are still playing everyone to break this record and it's wearing on them... Tom might be in his prime but the rest of the team isn't. Because of this I'm not 100% confident they will win.

[Neversatisfied]

man, you know you ran out of firepower in your argument when superbowl rings are the deciding factor of who's better.
I thought I have made alot of good points to prove Brady was indeed better than Favre. TD/INT ratio is the most important stat of any of them in my opinion, and Brady beats damn near everyone by a landslide.

[David]

agreed.. I didnt' think i need to go quote you.

[Neversatisfied]

Favre has thrown for most yards in NFL history
Favre has most TD Passes in NFL history
Favre is most consistant TD passer in NFL history (keeps breaking his own record of most 30+ TD seasons )
Favre is the most durable
Favre has the most wins in NFL history
Hes been the most exciting player to watch in the 90s and as of late.

Did I mention he has the most wins in NFL history?

Should we delve into come from behind victories?Brett Favre is the "iron man" at QB. He has played alot of games, and thrown alot of passes. Thats a given, he has the record for both. But game for game, throw for throw, there are alot of QBs that are better in my opinion. I can back that up with stats too if you are game to debate.

[Neversatisfied]

how does firepower have to do with brady? i'm talking about your "arguments" in general. as soon as anybody says anything that makes sense, you bring up 3 SB rings.....


Wait... i guess i didn't realize the NFL was suppose to be about stats and not about winning superbowls... My bad.. i'm a noob.. God, I guess you win scott. :lol: what was i thinking...

hey david. what's this thread about again?

a record....which is a statistic......weird.

and if that's the case and you think stats are dumb, why bring up bradys? just curious. statistics show what you do on the field. the better the stats, the better the quarterback. any great team can get beat in any certain game. this is about a QUARTERBACK, not about a team winning a superbowl. records.....stats.....get it?


and your right we should only look at statics when you've been in the NFL almost 2 decades. **** looking at those who are kicking ass. What do they matter any ways.. I means winning superbowls is like buy one get one half off at footlocker. SWEET WHAT A DEAL

like i said again. Go wikipedia vinny testaverde and steve mcnair if you're going to make the "old" comment. they have also played equally as long and longer. look at their stats. they were in their "prime" before you watched football probably so you might not know them. it was before brady. :rofl:

Doug Flutie, Warren Moon....

Why aren't we bringing up the guys who Favre is passing up? Marino played 17 seasons, and Favre isn't even finished with his 17th and already passing him. Elway? Tarkenton? Long careers, and Favre owns them all.Lets not forget that Favre has 10 more games than Marino under his belt. Favre has stayed healthy, you win there. But game for game, pass for pass, Marino did more with his shitty teams. There is a reason Favre himself says he isn't in Dan's league. Its because he isn't.

I will give Favre a few things that make him great. Great enthusiams for the game. Great durability. Strong arm. Very humble and down to earth person.

Not the greatest QB of all time. But a great personality and embassador for the game. I hope he goes into broadcasting after he is done like Marino has. In fact I think it would be cool for those guys to do a pregame show together.

[David]

Favre doesn't strike me as much of a talker.

[spoonraker]

http://media.funlol.com/content/img/Rex-Grossman-loved.jpg

I had to contribute something

[Cotnerdude]

shut up and take it

[Neversatisfied]

Favre doesn't strike me as much of a talker.Neither is Lou Holtz, but they keep bringing that moron back year after year. I am not sure if its because they think he adds anything to the discussion, or if its for the humor factor. I know all those "experts" are laughing their asses off about the stupid **** he says when he isn't around. Those retarded pep talks he gives take the cake. I seriously think that guy is mentally handicapped.

[David]

:rofl:

[Cavadini]

Favre doesn't strike me as much of a talker.Neither is Lou Holtz, but they keep bringing that moron back year after year. I am not sure if its because they think he adds anything to the discussion, or if its for the humor factor. I know all those "experts" are laughing their asses off about the stupid **** he says when he isn't around. Those retarded pep talks he gives take the cake. I seriously think that guy is mentally handicapped.

Lou Holtz has never said anything intelligent.....ever. That guy sounds like a drunk ass old guy on the corner of downtown lincoln after a husker game.

[David]

:rofl:

This thread rocks...