Mopar = Perfection

[Alley]

They have the most powerfull cars in all the major catagorys when you look at the numbers.

Truck - SRT10 Ram
Sedan - SRT8 Charger
Sports Car - SRT10 Viper
Compact - SRT4 Caliber
Station Wagon - SRT8 Magnum
SUV - SRT8 Cherokee
Muscle Car - SRT8 Challenger

[Grey03GT]

And they make good paper weights.

[Thunder]

Easy to accomplish when all of those are extremely overpriced.

[David]

to bad they all get their ass kicked by the competition with less power.

[CustomSSI]

to bad they all get their ass kicked by the competition with less power.

:rofl: Thats exactly what i was gonna post.. However i do have to say i'm impressed with the HEMI's i've worked on....

[GTPpower]

And they make good paper weights.

to bad they all get their ass kicked by the competition with less power.


If I could figure out a way to combine those 2 quotes, I would...cuz it'd be true

[swaggy853]

Power is FAR from perfection.

[srt-4_uk]

Cherokee > Cayenne Turbo in performance and price
Challenger > anything under 40K
Ram > Ford lightning in every performance category
Neon > anything under 25K

[Johnny]

you people are he lar e ous

[4 cam torino]

It's really impressive that a $50,000 SRT 10 RAM barely edges out a $33,000 Lightning. :roll: A Lightning with 17k in bolt ons is going to smoke the **** out of that RAM so bad your head will spin. I'm pretty sure the Lightning out brakes a Ram too, so much for every performance category.

And the challenger? **** man, let one hit the streets before you suck them off too much. I was told two days ago that they are still heavier than a Charger, sweet.

[86Shelby]

And the challenger? **** man, let one hit the streets before you suck them off too much. I was told two days ago that they are still heavier than a Charger, sweet.

EXACTLY!

[Cobra Commander]

It's really impressive that a $50,000 SRT 10 RAM barely edges out a $33,000 Lightning. :roll:

No ****.

A $17,000 dollar difference and all coming down to being a drivers race isn't exactly something to brag about. :lol:

[Cobra Commander]

Oh, and Mopar's horsepower doesn't make up for their pile of **** line of cars.

[srt-4_uk]

It's really impressive that a $50,000 SRT 10 RAM barely edges out a $33,000 Lightning. :roll: A Lightning with 17k in bolt ons is going to smoke the **** out of that RAM so bad your head will spin. I'm pretty sure the Lightning out brakes a Ram too, so much for every performance category.

And the challenger? **** man, let one hit the streets before you suck them off too much. I was told two days ago that they are still heavier than a Charger, sweet.

Actually Dodge edged out the lightning by one foot from 70-0 according to C&D. It also started at $45k not $50K. And you cannot compare modified cars to stock cars because you can put $5K into a fox body and outrun them all. Price/performance the Lightning has it edged big time. I was just stating that the SRT-10 out performed it.

[Cobra Commander]

SRT Rams are gay. $45k-$50k of gayness actually.

[Cobra Commander]

The only car out of that list I would even consider driving is the Neon, which would make a great daily. I used to like the Charger till I drove one. They're not worth the money to even rent one for a day.

[srt-4_uk]

22 inch wheels on a performance truck was gay. Almost as gay as 20s on Craig's charger.

[Cobra Commander]

What about the sweeeeeet shifter that makes it next to impossible to bang 3rd without missing.

[82355]

It would make sense that the Magic player likes Mopar, they are for nerds and sister ****ing rednecks.

Oh, and that Nemesis douche.

Martin

[Cobra Commander]

Sick! :lol:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/Brook32v/SRT_gallery_4.jpg

If that doesn't scream $50,000, I don't know what does!

[Cobra Commander]

Oh, and that Nemesis douche.

Martin

I forgot about that. Now I really hate Mopar.

[srt-4_uk]

Sick! :lol:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/Brook32v/SRT_gallery_4.jpg

If that doesn't scream $50,000, I don't know what does!

Get it right. It screams $45,000

[cole]

Neon > anything under 25K



:lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke:


oh my god, i just pee'd a little

[spoonraker]

What did jake/nemesis do, I thought he owned a nice DSM?

[Cobra Commander]

Get it right. It screams $45,000

Sorry. I got a little out of control. :lol:

[Alley]

Mopar owners don't care about price. You just know your buying the best so it don't matter.

[srt-4_uk]

Neon > anything under 25K



:lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke:


oh my god, i just pee'd a little

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12396/the-quickest-cars-of-2007-20000-to-25000.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/7871/dodge-srt-4-page2.html
:Thumb:

[AWeb80]

You Were Right Craig. This Is Entertaining.

[4 cam torino]

MT says the Lightning brakes 60-0 in two full feet shorter than the SRT
http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/pickup/163_0407_2004_ford_dodge_truck/specifications_overview.html
And these are all for the SRT that can't tow. If you want the SRT that can actually be used as a truck, the Lightning will smoke you. I know, because I've seen it happen in my rear view mirror.

45k, 50k, whatever, still way too much money for a truck that has no payload or towing capacity that barely out performs a truck that cost 33k and can tow/haul a full load.

[srt-4_uk]

Maybe the braking was different from C&D because it was from 70-0. The SRT does have larger brakes to help with fade. I was just saying it out performed. Not that it hauled more, cost less or was the better value because it isnt. That Cherokee on the other hand....

[Bobby Light]

TOYOTA TUNDRA!!!!

[c0z]

Sick! :lol:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/Brook32v/SRT_gallery_4.jpg

If that doesn't scream $50,000, I don't know what does!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Bobby Light]

Sick! :lol:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/Brook32v/SRT_gallery_4.jpg

If that doesn't scream $50,000, I don't know what does!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

its the super schweet pedal covers.

[cole]

Neon > anything under 25K



:lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke:


oh my god, i just pee'd a little

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12396/the-quickest-cars-of-2007-20000-to-25000.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/7871/dodge-srt-4-page2.html
:Thumb:

bwahaha. the first one said the 07 impreza wrx was the quickest,and the second link just gave stupid standard info on an srt4

[Cobra Commander]

The last new Mopar I drove was so worthless that we couldn't even get the tires to turn over even while I was pissing on the wheel. Charger = PERFORMANCE!

[swaggy853]

Pissing on it only works for fords...

[Cobra Commander]

****, I guess. :(

[srt-4_uk]

Neon > anything under 25K



:lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke::roflpuke:


oh my god, i just pee'd a little

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12396/the-quickest-cars-of-2007-20000-to-25000.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/7871/dodge-srt-4-page2.html
:Thumb:

bwahaha. the first one said the 07 impreza wrx was the quickest,and the second link just gave stupid standard info on an srt4
That is because the 1st link was the fastest cars under $25K for 2007. Then the second link shows the 05 Neon srt4 testing data. Compare the 2 links.

[C.J.]

i think what Alley really meant is...

"Mopar = Perfect example of automotive depreciation in value"

btw the caliber does not have the most power in the compact class...STi and EVO X both are rated at 300hp and STi is actually now rated at like 307hp, not that it matters b/c both STi and EVO own the pants off a caliber :lol:

[C.J.]

Sick! :lol:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/Brook32v/SRT_gallery_4.jpg

If that doesn't scream $50,000, I don't know what does!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

haha imagine that...a shitty interior...in a dodge? whaaaaaaaat? I love flat plastic dashes and super nice bench style seating when i pay $50k.

[Cobra Commander]

BUT IT HAS SILVER TRIM AROUND THE TAPE/CD PLAYER!!!

[C.J.]

plus a bent piece of rebar for a shifter handle.

[Alley]

The Caliber is underrated from the factory. Dyno #'s are in the 270's-280's at the wheels. Price and interior has nothing to do with performance. The fact of this topic still stands. As far as performance goes, Mopar wins in every class.

Brooks an idiot becuase he drove a fleet v6 Charger. That has nothing to do with the SRT8 Charger being the best 4 door sedan performer in its class.

[C.J.]

The Caliber is underrated from the factory. Dyno #'s are in the 270's-280's at the wheels. Price and interior has nothing to do with performance. The fact of this topic still stands. As far as performance goes, Mopar wins in every class.

Brooks an idiot becuase he drove a fleet v6 Charger. That has nothing to do with the SRT8 Charger being the best 4 door sedan performer in its class.

well if you want to get down to strictly performance...the caliber definitely doesnt come close to the competition.

[Johnny]

The Caliber is underrated from the factory. Dyno #'s are in the 270's-280's at the wheels. Price and interior has nothing to do with performance. The fact of this topic still stands. As far as performance goes, Mopar wins in every class.

Brooks an idiot becuase he drove a fleet v6 Charger. That has nothing to do with the SRT8 Charger being the best 4 door sedan performer in its class.

underrated is nothing, you previously were basing power numbers off of what the factory rates them at, you think dodge is the only one to underrate their engines?

[Alley]

Meh, the Caliber is the only one on the fence. All the others are solid locks.

[C.J.]

Meh, the Caliber is the only one on the fence. All the others are solid locks.

until you look at Z06 and Viper...Viper may be rated higher, but cant compete on the track.

[C.J.]

Not to mention when the camaro comes out it will surely own the challenger, one thing GM never fails todo is beat out their competition w/ out of the box performance (Mustang guys know this all to well)

[Cobra Commander]

They do dyno around 280whp surprisingly, but all that is immaterial when the car still only runs mid 14s.

[Alley]

Not to mention when the camaro comes out it will surely own the challenger, one thing GM never fails todo is beat out their competition w/ out of the box performance (Mustang guys know this all to well)

Surrrre it will... :rolleye:

[Cobra Commander]

one thing GM never fails todo is beat out their competition w/ out of the box performance (Mustang guys know this all to well)

Where was GM in 2003...... :lol:

[Alley]

I guess thats why the Viper has been out performing the Vette ever since 94. so much for out of the box performance. LT1 vette. rofl

[C.J.]

one thing GM never fails todo is beat out their competition w/ out of the box performance (Mustang guys know this all to well)

Where was GM in 2003...... :lol:

well i was going to include that, but you cannot deny my statement. Bard has even admitted to it before. I am not trying to turn this into a ford vs. chevy thing, i am just turning this into a mopar is gay thing.

[C.J.]

I guess thats why the Viper has been out performing the Vette ever since 94. so much for out of the box performance. LT1 vette. rofl

so back when the LT1 vette was around...dodge had the viper and? Oh nothing else worth a ****.

[Cobra Commander]

one thing GM never fails todo is beat out their competition w/ out of the box performance (Mustang guys know this all to well)

Where was GM in 2003...... :lol:

well i was going to include that, but you cannot deny my statement. Bard has even admitted to it before. I am not trying to turn this into a ford vs. chevy thing, i am just turning this into a mopar is gay thing.

Na, I can't argue that. The bang for the buck on the LT1/LS1 F-Body and C6 was/is hard to beat. I guess throwing power into cheaply built **** cars has worked quite well for GM. :lol:

[Alley]

TT Stealth *****!

[C.J.]

Na, I can't argue that. The bang for the buck on the LT1/LS1 F-Body and C6 was/is hard to beat. I guess throwing power into cheaply built **** cars has worked quite well for GM. :lol:


Mopar is just starting to do that now, i mean they have always been shitty. They are just finally throwing motors into them, its to bad they don't perform.

[C.J.]

TT Stealth *****!

ok you got me there

[Cobra Commander]

I guess thats why the Viper has been out performing the Vette ever since 94. so much for out of the box performance. LT1 vette. rofl

so back when the LT1 vette was around...dodge had the viper and? Oh nothing else worth a ****.

The Viper was WAY too much money to ever bring up for an argument. It's just like the GT vs Z06 thing..... One is better, but that doesn't matter when money is thrown into the argument.

[C.J.]

I guess thats why the Viper has been out performing the Vette ever since 94. so much for out of the box performance. LT1 vette. rofl

so back when the LT1 vette was around...dodge had the viper and? Oh nothing else worth a ****.

The Viper was WAY too much money to ever bring up for an argument. It's just like the GT vs Z06 thing..... One is better, but that doesn't matter when money is thrown into the argument.

QFT

[Cobra Commander]

TT Stealth *****!

Those cars should have came with a standard kick in the balls for every new owner to prepare themselves for the piece of **** they just bought.

[Alley]

Mopar is gay = I'm jelous of Mopar performance numbers.

[C.J.]

Mopar is gay = I'm jelous of Mopar performance numbers.

and jealous of resale numbers.


eer....wait.

[Cobra Commander]

I'm jealous of Mopars transmissions!

FTMFW!!!!!!

[GTPpower]

Not to mention when the camaro comes out it will surely own the challenger, one thing GM never fails todo is beat out their competition w/ out of the box performance (Mustang guys know this all to well)

Surrrre it will... :rolleye:

I'll throw $20 down on the camaro right now....:ohnoes::woot:

[C.J.]

I'm jealous of Mopars transmissions!

FTMFW!!!!!!


fixed that for you buddy

[Alley]

Nobody even knows what engine they'll put in the camaro or how heavy it will be. Camaro FTL. They'll throw some junk LS block in there but nothing with too much power that will cost too much becuase all GM cares about is sales #'s.

[David]

sales driven by performance and sweet as looks..

but in all honesty... It's gonna be in the same weight class as teh GTO.

[C.J.]

just wait for the HUGE aftermarket that will be available for the new camaro compared to the new challenger....wont even compare. Not that it will matter Camaro > Challenger.

[Cobra Commander]

All of these muscle cars are weighing waaaay too much these days. GTO, Shelby, new Charger, new Camaro. :(

[Cobra Commander]

just wait for the HUGE aftermarket that will be available for the new camaro compared to the new challenger....wont even compare. Not that it will matter Camaro > Challenger.

Too bad there isn't any forced induction..... oh wait, that is what the Shelby is for. Neener neener. :lol:

[Alley]

Ya, there weighing as much as the old school muscle cars now.

Oh, and the Challenger will have a better aftermarket since the 6.1 engine has been on the market since 2006. Tuneing will the the only thing at a disadvantage.

[C.J.]

Ya, there weighing as much as the old school muscle cars now.

Oh, and the Challenger will have a better aftermarket since the 6.1 engine has been on the market since 2006. Tuneing will the the only thing at a disadvantage.

haha you just wait...you think GM will be using a motor that hasnt been out? All LSx series motors are essentially the same and most parts are interchangeable. Within 2-3 months of the new camaro being available there will be cam kits available, heads available, 20 different exhaust systems, 4+ header kits, and plenty of tuning.

[AWeb80]

CJ Speaks Teh Truth /Thread

[Cobra Commander]

haha you just wait...you think GM will be using a motor that hasnt been out? All LSx series motors are essentially the same and most parts are interchangeable. Within 2-3 months of the new camaro being available there will be cam kits available, heads available, 20 different exhaust systems, 4+ header kits, and plenty of tuning.

Just swap a pulley and retune it for 80 more whp.... wait, that is just a Shelby thing. :lol:

[C.J.]

haha you just wait...you think GM will be using a motor that hasnt been out? All LSx series motors are essentially the same and most parts are interchangeable. Within 2-3 months of the new camaro being available there will be cam kits available, heads available, 20 different exhaust systems, 4+ header kits, and plenty of tuning.

Just swap a pulley and retune it for 80 more whp.... wait, that is just a Shelby thing. :lol:

so is the extra $20k

[Cobra Commander]

Moses Ford in York just had one two weeks ago for $44k, no stripes.

The hype and markups on the regular GT500's is, for the most part, over with.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-SHELBY-GT500-Ford-Mustang-SVT-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ130181581398QQihZ003QQcategoryZ62 36QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[c0z]

Mopar = You know when it's a little bit older it'll start smokin like crazy, and then the tranny will go out.

[C.J.]

haha true, i have seen mopar vehicles less than 2 years old smoking like early 90s caravans aka oil chimneys

[c0z]

New intrepids have been smokin off the showroom floor practically for years now :lol:

[Cobra Commander]

New intrepids have been smokin off the showroom floor practically for years now :lol:

It was optional. :lol:

[rsisbetter]

Finally sombody brought up the Z06, which will out accelerate, brake, corner the viper ANY DAY! Which less i not mention that which is the only car that has been on the road for OVER 50 years. with years of development. OH and the new Z06 will cost less than a viper. ANYBODY who likes to get in and out of a viper seat is OUT OF THEIR ****ING MIND.

I also got $20 on the new Camaro, which for a v8 power plant will either recieve the new LS3 = 438hp or super badass LS7 = 505hp

As Shaggy said, "hp numbers dont make a "quality" car"

Alley = MEGAPWNTED!

[Cobra Commander]

Bang for your buck:

Z06 > * (including anything Mopar will ever produce)

Charger < Camaro < Shelby < Brook < SHO

[86Shelby]

Which less i not mention that which is the only car that has been on the road for OVER 50 years.

You're lucky you qualified it as a 'car'.

[86Shelby]

Bang for your buck:

Z06 < * (including anything Mopar will ever produce)

Charger > Camaro > Shelby > Brook = SHO < Spirit R/T

Fixed.

[Cobra Commander]

The Camaro looks like **** to me.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3091&stc=1&d=1197526961

[swaggy853]

The Camaro looks like **** to me.

Honestly I said the same thing, until I went to SEMA last year and saw the concept in person. I'm still unsure about the pictures of it but in person its a completely different story, my jaw dropped.

[swaggy853]

Actually in the pic u posted it looks like a 2 door charger, not cool at all.

[Cobra Commander]

I totally agree that it looks like a 2 door Mopar. That is why I hate it. Ya the concept cars at all the auto shows look great, but they have changed things for production.

Yuck.

[Alley]

OMG! A LS3!! 438 HP!!! The current Challenger has 425 HP. And when the Camaro finally comes out, (still 2 years away), It will have the 6.4ltr Hemi @ 500+HP. Game over.

[swaggy853]

http://unl.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2060983&l=440be&id=17206194

there is the url to one of my SEMA albums on facebook, page 2 has the concept camaro. I honestly dont think they will change it. I talked to about half of the ppl at the chevy booth while I was there and they all said that not much will change given the great response that they have gotten out of it. The concept I saw was all clay(or whatever they use), no interior or anything.

[swaggy853]

OMG! A LS3!! 438 HP!!! The current Challenger has 425 HP. And when the Camaro finally comes out, (still 2 years away), It will have the 6.4ltr Hemi @ 500+HP. Game over.

Higher horsepower will not end the game. I'll point out a mopar example for you to help you understand regarding a certain blue srt4 from GI that you are very familiar with. If I remember right it should go like this:

rwd>fwd, 383hp>322hp, srt8>srt4 right?

Wrong, so wrong. The fwd, with 60 less hp, is a second faster in the quarter than the(your) more powerful rwd V8. You are gonna have to start looking at this a little differently.

*hp #s taken from dynosport site*

[GTPpower]

TT Stealth *****!

Those cars should have came with a standard kick in the balls for every new owner to prepare themselves for the piece of **** they just bought.

ROFL!

[Alley]

What the heck are you talking about shaggy? Those are 2 different classes of cars. One is a 4 door Sedan, the other a compact car. And there both modded. And there both Mopars. Totally has nothing to do with this topic. Check back on the first post. The topic is about Mopar leading each class of car in performance.

[Alley]

Back on track now. You guys have to realize that people don't want to HAVE to buy a sports car or muscle car to get performance anymore. They want performance elsewhere. Like a station wagon, sedan, SUV, or truck. And Mopar answered the call. They cater to car enthusiasts. GM meanwhile is clueless.

[c0z]

Whats peformance? A claimed HP number?

[swaggy853]

What the heck are you talking about shaggy? Those are 2 different classes of cars. One is a 4 door Sedan, the other a compact car. And there both modded. And there both Mopars. Totally has nothing to do with this topic. Check back on the first post. The topic is about Mopar leading each class of car in performance.

I'm simply showing that a higher amount of horsepower will not make the car perform better, I realize that they are two different classes.

If you want to state that mopars have higher horsepower than everything else then go ahead, but to state that mopars are the best in all performance aspects??? I dont think there is an automaker in this world that can state that. Plus you used the word "perfection" and thats just way they hell off. You cant tell me that a Viper is completely better than a Z06, or that the srt-4 is the fastest sport compact. I think you should start smaller with your claims.

[Alley]

I would classify performance as a combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc... You?

[Alley]

What the heck are you talking about shaggy? Those are 2 different classes of cars. One is a 4 door Sedan, the other a compact car. And there both modded. And there both Mopars. Totally has nothing to do with this topic. Check back on the first post. The topic is about Mopar leading each class of car in performance.

I'm simply showing that a higher amount of horsepower will not make the car perform better, I realize that they are two different classes.

If you want to state that mopars have higher horsepower than everything else then go ahead, but to state that mopars are the best in all performance aspects??? I dont think there is an automaker in this world that can state that. Plus you used the word "perfection" and thats just way they hell off. You cant tell me that a Viper is completely better than a Z06, or that the srt-4 is the fastest sport compact. I think you should start smaller with your claims.


lol, I can claim whatever I want Mr. 131 posts. I think your taking this topic too seriously.

[swaggy853]

Back on track now. You guys have to realize that people don't want to HAVE to buy a sports car or muscle car to get performance anymore. They want performance elsewhere. Like a station wagon, sedan, SUV, or truck. And Mopar answered the call. They cater to car enthusiasts. GM meanwhile is clueless.

I dont think GM is clueless. I think they have a good idea of whats going on. Also, this site is pretty much composed of people that are concerned with performance, you are forgetting that an automaker gets most of its revenues from the "normal" cars that dont interest many here. I guarantee you that without the thousands and thousands of people buying neons(and whatever else mopar makes) you wouldnt have your srt8 right now.

[Alley]

People on this site are concerned with performance?!?!?! Do they race??? WTF!!!!!! TELL ME WHERE THIS GOES DOWN!!!

[swaggy853]

lol, I can claim whatever I want Mr. 131 posts.

Well if it makes you feel better about yourself I guess go for it, just dont think the rest of the world is that delusional.

[Thunder]

Don't reason with Craig... hes lost into some Mopar abyss with no hope of return.

[swaggy853]

People on this site are concerned with performance?!?!?! Do they race??? WTF!!!!!! TELL ME WHERE THIS GOES DOWN!!!

What does that have to do with the original topic?

[Alley]

You want to get freaking texted everyday about how Mopar is the best like some of the other poeple on this site? Whats your #? I'll set you straight.

[swaggy853]

Don't reason with Craig... hes lost into some Mopar abyss with no hope of return.

Nobody is reasonable around here. I guess thats why I dont have an large post count. Is a high post count the "big *****" of the internet?

[swaggy853]

You want to get freaking texted everyday about how Mopar is the best like some of the other poeple on this site? Whats your #? I'll set you straight.

Wouldnt bother me a bit, but you would have to hear about how my honda is still faster than your v8....

[Alley]

Yep, thats why some people had there old SCR post count added to there current post count. Do a search. You find several topics on just that issue!

[swaggy853]

PERFECT MOPAR v8...sorry

[Thunder]

lol its just a big joke. Don't put too much stock into what Craig says. He told me today that Mopar was on the Mitchell report, stating that its performance was enhanced beyond its peers.... or something like that.

He loves his mopars.... sorta..

[swaggy853]

Yep, thats why some people had there old SCR post count added to there current post count. Do a search. You find several topics on just that issue!

I saw that, thats where I got my theory from.

[Thunder]

Craigs almighty 380whp charger bowed to the 311 whp LS1 last time we raced.

[Alley]

Funny, I remember me beating you by a fender on the 3rd race when we both left at the same time. Must of been a dream... Don't worry, I'll be owning you by more this spring now that I got the new tires.

[Thunder]

We traded wins. The fact is, you've got 70whp on me and traction, and yet... thats the best you got.

[Thunder]

Of course, thats all I could expect racing a mopar. If MOPAR were a football player, the crowd would be chanting

OVER----RATED....OVER----RATED

[swaggy853]

Craigs almighty 380whp charger bowed to the 311 whp LS1 last time we raced.

and the almighty both of you will bow to my honda as soon as I find a turbo

[Thunder]

Craigs almighty 380whp charger bowed to the 311 whp LS1 last time we raced.

and the almighty both of you will bow to my honda as soon as I find a turbo

Let me find my nitrous and slicks :nervous:

[swaggy853]

Funny, I remember me beating you by a fender on the 3rd race when we both left at the same time. Must of been a dream... Don't worry, I'll be owning you by more this spring now that I got the new tires.

You mean the stock ones werent PERFECT? Maybe you should have special ordered the "perfection package" that makes it better than everything else.

[swaggy853]

Craigs almighty 380whp charger bowed to the 311 whp LS1 last time we raced.

and the almighty both of you will bow to my honda as soon as I find a turbo

Let me find my nitrous and slicks :nervous:

DO IT. you wont do it.

[swaggy853]

Oh stupid pointless **** talking on the internet, where would we be without you.

[GTPpower]

You want to get freaking texted everyday about how Mopar is the best like some of the other poeple on this site? Whats your #? I'll set you straight.
I'm interested. 402-615-1918
:peepwall:

[Alley]

We traded wins. The fact is, you've got 70whp on me and traction, and yet... thats the best you got.

ROFL! Arn't you forgetting how your 900lbs lighter then me? MOPAR FOR LIFE *****!

[swaggy853]

We traded wins. The fact is, you've got 70whp on me and traction, and yet... thats the best you got.

ROFL! Arn't you forgetting how your 900lbs lighter then me? MOPAR FOR LIFE *****!

If weight is so important you should be listing that next to all of your HP numbers....

[Alley]

We traded wins. The fact is, you've got 70whp on me and traction, and yet... thats the best you got.

ROFL! Arn't you forgetting how your 900lbs lighter then me? MOPAR FOR LIFE *****!

If weight is so important you should be listing that next to all of your HP numbers....

Why are you here? Who are you? rofl

[Thunder]

We traded wins. The fact is, you've got 70whp on me and traction, and yet... thats the best you got.

ROFL! Arn't you forgetting how your 900lbs lighter then me? MOPAR FOR LIFE *****!

lose some weight fatty.

[Thunder]

We traded wins. The fact is, you've got 70whp on me and traction, and yet... thats the best you got.

ROFL! Arn't you forgetting how your 900lbs lighter then me? MOPAR FOR LIFE *****!

If weight is so important you should be listing that next to all of your HP numbers....

Why are you here? Who are you? rofl

Hes the ying to your yang. He is the base to your acid. Basically he pwns you. OHhhhhhhh SNAP

[Alley]

Oh I got something in store. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[Thunder]

Trading off your car for a newer one?

[Alley]

Damn, how'd you know?

[swaggy853]

We traded wins. The fact is, you've got 70whp on me and traction, and yet... thats the best you got.

ROFL! Arn't you forgetting how your 900lbs lighter then me? MOPAR FOR LIFE *****!

If weight is so important you should be listing that next to all of your HP numbers....

Why are you here? Who are you? rofl

I am here to give you **** about your precious mopars. I'm the one that almost got beat by a stock v8 jeep in Hastings when u two were there, I dont know how else you would remember me. I beat that evo at americruise(I think the same one u beat) and I was plannin on callin u out that nite until my oil filter broke loose and I lost oil pressure.

[Thunder]

Damn, how'd you know?

Predictable hahaha.

[swaggy853]

Oh and I had my honda at the track one time that you were there, another time I was there but without my car. I have some of your runs on video somewhere.

[Thunder]

Craig can meet someone several times before he knows who they are online haha.

[swaggy853]

He probably wouldnt remember me in person, its not like I say much or do anything memorable.

[Alley]

Who the **** is "Thunder"?

[Lepa]

Mopar > *

[Thunder]

You see what I mean? I"ve been working with him for almost 1.5 years and he STILL doesn't know who I am.

[swaggy853]

Who the **** is "Thunder"?

Something about he's friends with some kid with a red awd eclipse? I dunno.

[Thunder]

Who the **** is "Thunder"?

Something about he's friends with some kid with a red awd eclipse? I dunno.

Ok buddy you're crossing the line now :lol:

[swaggy853]

Ok buddy you're crossing the line now :lol:

I'm gettin pretty good at this internet **** talking thing...:rofl:

Eventually I too will have a big "internet *****"

[srt-4_uk]

Good thread Craig:Thumb:

[swaggy853]

Good thread Craig:Thumb:

They are multiplying! Run!

[srt-4_uk]

I was here to begin with. Get with it noob. And find yourself a turbo so you can come get pwnd.

[swaggy853]

can someone define pwnd for me? Im a noob. Wait, I have a bigger internet ***** than u, how am I the noob?

[Thunder]

Fail, you drive a neon.

[swaggy853]

Fail, you drive a neon.

I would have said that but I drive a honda so I cant say much.

[Thunder]

i drive a fish. lets go for a swim

[swaggy853]

i drive a fish. lets go for a swim

How does one drive a fish?

[swaggy853]

I was here to begin with. Get with it noob. And find yourself a turbo so you can come get pwnd.

Go run yourself a 12, then come play with me :)

[srt-4_uk]

As soon as the track opens. And since we are talking track numbers now. Thunder.......fail.

[swaggy853]

As soon as the track opens. And since we are talking track numbers now. Thunder.......fail.

Do YOU have a faster timeslip than thunder?

[srt-4_uk]

yes

[Thunder]

Unfortunately he does....

[Thunder]

Its safe to say my track numbers were highly disappointing.

[srt-4_uk]

And I get better gas mileage!!!

[Thunder]

Yeah but so far, my street record > yours

[AWeb80]

Tracks PWN Thunder

[C.J.]

I would classify performance as a combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc... You?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

well if that is what performance is you might as well count all of those Mopars out of the competition.

Lets see....SRT10 truck...cant turn, cant stop, cant turn track times worth $50k

SRT8 Charger....ide love to see that tuna boat run around a track

SRT4 Caliber...compared to the competition it might as well shoot itself in the foot...oh wait dodge already did when they threw that motor in a ****in micro van. It most definitely is not fast, it cant turn, it cant do ****

Challenger...well it wont beat the Camaro at anything so there is no point to even make that piece of ****.

SRT8 Jeep....ya they are cool b/c you dont buy one expecting anything other than a high hp grand cherokee and it delivers

SRT10 Viper...only SRT model that can fit into Craig Alley defined performance (combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc...)

[Alley]

I would classify performance as a combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc... You?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

well if that is what performance is you might as well count all of those Mopars out of the competition.

Lets see....SRT10 truck...cant turn, cant stop, cant turn track times worth $50k

SRT8 Charger....ide love to see that tuna boat run around a track

SRT4 Caliber...compared to the competition it might as well shoot itself in the foot...oh wait dodge already did when they threw that motor in a ****in micro van. It most definitely is not fast, it cant turn, it cant do ****

Challenger...well it wont beat the Camaro at anything so there is no point to even make that piece of ****.

SRT8 Jeep....ya they are cool b/c you dont buy one expecting anything other than a high hp grand cherokee and it delivers

SRT10 Viper...only SRT model that can fit into Craig Alley defined performance (combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc...)


Again your missing the point of the best cars in there class. Is there another 4 door Sedan that is going to go around a track better then the SRT8 Charger? Have you drove one? Mine is freaking awesome around the corners. Same with the Jeep. And I love how you keep comparing the Challenger to a car that is still 2 years from production. Face it, Mopar > *

[Lepa]

I would classify performance as a combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc... You?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

well if that is what performance is you might as well count all of those Mopars out of the competition.

Lets see....SRT10 truck...cant turn, cant stop, cant turn track times worth $50k

SRT8 Charger....ide love to see that tuna boat run around a track

SRT4 Caliber...compared to the competition it might as well shoot itself in the foot...oh wait dodge already did when they threw that motor in a ****in micro van. It most definitely is not fast, it cant turn, it cant do ****

Challenger...well it wont beat the Camaro at anything so there is no point to even make that piece of ****.

SRT8 Jeep....ya they are cool b/c you dont buy one expecting anything other than a high hp grand cherokee and it delivers

SRT10 Viper...only SRT model that can fit into Craig Alley defined performance (combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc...)


Again your missing the point of the best cars in there class. Is there another 4 door Sedan that is going to go around a track better then the SRT8 Charger? Have you drove one? Mine is freaking awesome around the corners. Same with the Jeep. And I love how you keep comparing the Challenger to a car that is still 2 years from production. Face it, Mopar > *



craig he drives an STi.....

[Lepa]

Of course, thats all I could expect racing a mopar. If MOPAR were a football player, the crowd would be chanting

OVER----RATED....OVER----RATED



71 b-bodies are the most over rated pieces of **** ever.

[Alley]

craig he drives an STi.....


Meaning he's a noob?

[Thunder]

craig he drives an STi.....


Meaning he's a noob?

meaning he can outhandle you on a track and brake better. He might not be as fast but his car is also 10,000 dollars cheaper.

[C.J.]

craig he drives an STi.....


Meaning he's a noob?

meaning he can outhandle you on a track and brake better. He might not be as fast but his car is also 10,000 dollars cheaper.

as fast as what? :lol:

[C.J.]

Again your missing the point of the best cars in there class. Is there another 4 door Sedan that is going to go around a track better then the SRT8 Charger? Have you drove one? Mine is freaking awesome around the corners. Same with the Jeep. And I love how you keep comparing the Challenger to a car that is still 2 years from production. Face it, Mopar > *


The camaro will be here this summer/early fall.

[BOORAH]

Mopar > *




:bolt:

[swaggy853]

This thread has nothing to do with actual performance, its just brand loyalty from a few mopar guys nothing more nothing less.

[swaggy853]

The camaro will be here this summer/early fall.

Where did you get that from? When I asked at SEMA they told me that it would go into production late in 08 and arrive in showrooms late 1st quarter 09. But that was a year ago so is there something I missed?

[swaggy853]

craig he drives an STi.....


Meaning he's a noob?

meaning he can outhandle you on a track and brake better. He might not be as fast but his car is also 10,000 dollars cheaper.

Who is faster? Feel free to click the timeslips link up above and do the research yourself... :Thumb:

[srt-4_uk]

I would classify performance as a combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc... You?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

well if that is what performance is you might as well count all of those Mopars out of the competition.

Lets see....SRT10 truck...cant turn, cant stop, cant turn track times worth $50k

SRT8 Charger....ide love to see that tuna boat run around a track

SRT4 Caliber...compared to the competition it might as well shoot itself in the foot...oh wait dodge already did when they threw that motor in a ****in micro van. It most definitely is not fast, it cant turn, it cant do ****

Challenger...well it wont beat the Camaro at anything so there is no point to even make that piece of ****.

SRT8 Jeep....ya they are cool b/c you dont buy one expecting anything other than a high hp grand cherokee and it delivers

SRT10 Viper...only SRT model that can fit into Craig Alley defined performance (combination of horsepower, handling, suspension, track times, braking, etc...)

Again, its $45,000:lol:. And that SRT-6 Crossfire is damn nice around a track.

[srt-4_uk]

craig he drives an STi.....


Meaning he's a noob?

meaning he can outhandle you on a track and brake better. He might not be as fast but his car is also 10,000 dollars cheaper.

Who is faster? Feel free to click the timeslips link up above and do the research yourself... :Thumb:

reliability>fast for a day.
oooooooooo I did it now lol.

[swaggy853]

reliability>fast for a day.
oooooooooo I did it now lol.

Did I miss something? What are you referring to?

[Alley]

craig he drives an STi.....


Meaning he's a noob?

meaning he can outhandle you on a track and brake better. He might not be as fast but his car is also 10,000 dollars cheaper.

Again, different classes. Why is that concept so hard for people to grasp?

[Thunder]

Hes a 4 door family car... how do you figure its different classes? hahahha

[Alley]

lol, the STI is a full sized sedan? I guess you really do go blind...

[David]

in the event of a family, i could see myself in a charger.

[Lepa]

This thread has nothing to do with actual performance, its just brand loyalty from a few mopar guys nothing more nothing less.

I'm loyal to money so yeah.

[Johnny]

^what money?

[4 cam torino]

Ya, there weighing as much as the old school muscle cars now.

Uneducated statement. Roadrunners and Torinos are a good place to start. Both weigh under 3500 lbs and they were both mid sized cars. You have to remember that even though they used heavier sheet metal that crash standards weren't what they are now. There is no structure to those cars under neath or in the sides. They'll twist and if you hit one in the side it'll fold in half. Old school muscle cars aren't as heavy as everyone makes them out to be.

[David]

my car is ubber heavy.

[4 cam torino]

And the SRT-8 Cherokee is dominated in the same way the SRT-10 Ram is dominated. TBSS > SRT-8 Cherokee when you figure the whole equation in, not just performance. The TBSS is capable of towing a car. The SRT-8 Cherokee needs an expensive ass Mopar hitch added that can only handle towing a jet ski. Then you top it off with price and options and the TBSS > SRT8 without question. When you are talking about performance trucks and SUVs, they should still be able to tow. Why buy a fast truck/SUV that can't do the things a normal truck and SUV can do when you could just buy a car that is faster than the truck or SUV for less money anyway?

Mopar fails at life. Literally. It's a ****ing sinking ship. You can dominate everyone in horsepower in every category but when the products are inferior across the board in all other aspects you aren't going to make it long. They just laid off a bunch of people Monday even. Cutting production in a few plants, etc.

[4 cam torino]

SRT8 Charger....ide love to see that tuna boat run around a track



I've seen it, as I was pulling up to one's bumper while braking into corners and then hanging out behind it while I waited for the passing zone to come so I could get a wave by from it. Oh yeah, and the vehicle I used to do this, a Lightning, owned.

[David]

Buy GM or go home.

[4 cam torino]

Ford and GM are both dominating Chrysler right now as far as complete line up goes. Performance cars aren't where you make your money. I'll support buying GM though, especially 4WD and AWD GMs, go stock up, give them as gifts, write to GM telling them you would buy an AWD Camaro/Corvette, etc. :)

[Cobra Commander]

No valves, no care.

[Lepa]

^what money?

thats been thrown into the truck :(

[Alley]

my car is ubber gay.

fixed

[David]

Ford and GM are both dominating Chrysler right now as far as complete line up goes. Performance cars aren't where you make your money. I'll support buying GM though, especially 4WD and AWD GMs, go stock up, give them as gifts, write to GM telling them you would buy an AWD Camaro/Corvette, etc. :)


I'd kill for an AWD vette.

[David]

my car is ubber gay.

fixed


:rofl:

[4 cam torino]

No valves, no care.

You don't like rotaries?

[David]

does anyone?

[swaggy853]

Ford and GM are both dominating Chrysler right now as far as complete line up goes. Performance cars aren't where you make your money. I'll support buying GM though, especially 4WD and AWD GMs, go stock up, give them as gifts, write to GM telling them you would buy an AWD Camaro/Corvette, etc. :)


I'd kill for an AWD vette.

The hardcore vette enthusiasts bitched about making the headlights stationary on the C6, can you imagine the bitching about AWD? Corvettes should do burnouts, not awd launches. And they should also dominate the AWD cars with their RWD. Done.

[David]

bunch of old ass holes who don't know whats up.

[swaggy853]

bunch of old ass holes who don't know whats up.

...with money. If GM cared about what we thought they would be paying you to have a sponsor spot on this site.

[David]

I'll send them an invite then... they just don't know.. SCR under the radar.

[swaggy853]

My dad keeps talking about selling a couple projects that he will never finish in his lifetime and buying a new Z06, he gets GM supplier discount tho.

[David]

I just want a Black C6... I can't wait until mine is paid off... 09 looks really promising.

[Cobra Commander]

Corvettes should do burnouts, not awd launches.

I agree. The Corvette is a car made for the redneck with money. The average trailerpark resident is going to be pretty pissed off once he catches wind that he will no longer be able to beat his wife and/or sister then do a burnout through the court yard in a drunkin' pissed off rage taking out all of the stained underwear hanging up on the line to dry. Well, he can still beat his wife then take out the clothes line, but he just won't be able to do it while sliding sideways. :(

Does GM really want to take that chance?

[David]

:lol: said vette not camaro.

[swaggy853]

Corvettes should do burnouts, not awd launches.

I agree. The Corvette is a car made for the redneck with money. The average trailerpark resident is going to be pretty pissed off once he catches wind that he will no longer be able to beat his wife and/or sister then do a burnout through the court yard in a drunkin' pissed off rage taking out all of the stained underwear hanging up on the line to dry. Well, he can still beat his wife then take out the clothes line, but he just won't be able to do it while sliding sideways. :(

Does GM really want to take that chance?

Yeah, except that a redneck with money wont buy a vette. He will buy beer, and lots of it, and a 3rd gen CAMARO. If he has the 50k to buy a new vette his wife will most likely spend it on new tupperware.

[David]

or teeth.

[GTPpower]

:lol: said vette not camaro.

ROFL!:lol:

[Cobra Commander]

The C4 is a mullets wet dream. C5 is up next in the lineup. :lol:

[swaggy853]

or teeth.

Looks arent important, except for the mailbox.

[AWeb80]

11 pages of this crap.


wow.

mopar = ghey

/thread

[swaggy853]

The C4 is a mullets wet dream. C5 is up next in the lineup. :lol:

The C5 has a long way to go before it reaches the price point of the C4.

[C.J.]

you guys are talking about redneck mullets...in a mopar thread but relating them to corvette....c'mon everybody knows mopar = mullet.

[swaggy853]

you guys are talking about redneck mullets...in a mopar thread but relating them to corvette....c'mon everybody knows mopar = mullet.

Completely off topic: Oh how I love the smell of an STi in my rearview mirror in the morning...

[rsisbetter]

OOOOOKKKK, it is officially WINTER.

BENCH RACING RICERS!

[C.J.]

you guys are talking about redneck mullets...in a mopar thread but relating them to corvette....c'mon everybody knows mopar = mullet.

Completely off topic: Oh how I love the smell of an STi in my rearview mirror in the morning...

ya, nothing like exchanging some flashers in the morning :rofl:

[Alley]

the reason this is 11 pages is becuase people are trying to desperatly to prove the original post wrong but deep down know its completely true...

[srt-4_uk]

the reason this is 11 pages is becuase people are trying to desperatly to prove the original post wrong but deep down know its completely true...

[swaggy853]

the reason this is 11 pages is becuase people are trying to desperatly to prove the original post wrong but deep down know its completely true...

The reason its 11 pages long is cause its fun to make fun of someone who thinks the brand they are loyal to is perfect. Thats what got us all here now we're pretty much just bullshitting amongst ourselves.

[swaggy853]

you guys are talking about redneck mullets...in a mopar thread but relating them to corvette....c'mon everybody knows mopar = mullet.

Completely off topic: Oh how I love the smell of an STi in my rearview mirror in the morning...

ya, nothing like exchanging some flashers in the morning :rofl:

I would have waved, but I couldnt see anyone to wave at thru the tint.

[GTPpower]

I didn't get a text today Alley....can't think of anything???

[4 cam torino]

you guys are talking about redneck mullets...in a mopar thread but relating them to corvette....c'mon everybody knows mopar = mullet.

That thang got a HEMI?:rofl:

[82355]

Don't reason with Craig... hes lost into some Mopar abyss with no hope of return.

Not true. He will trade it in on something else soon and jump onto whatever brand bandwagon he goes with at the time.

Martin

[Alley]

Ya, trade it in on another Mopar. Silly Noob.

[Lepa]

I liek wafflez!

[4 cam torino]

Don't reason with Craig... hes lost into some Mopar abyss with no hope of return.

Not true. He will trade it in on something else soon and jump onto whatever brand bandwagon he goes with at the time.

Martin

It's about 4x4 time for him again right? What else is there other than Jeep and Hummer though? I could seem him driving a mini trucked out Colorado. I predict that for his next move.

[Alley]

I think my next vehicle will be some sort of 4x4 or AWD. But not sure wether it will be like a daily like a SRT8 Cherokee or a beater like a Caliber then I get another car as my racer.

[swaggy853]

So calibers should be beaters, ill go with that...

[Alley]

I would say yes, unless its a SRT4.

[srt-4_uk]

I would say yes, unless its a SRT4.

Because then it is a piece of crap that is too heavy without a proper lsd.

[swaggy853]

I would say yes, unless its a SRT4.

I cant believe you would buy anything but an SRT!?!?

[swaggy853]

I would say yes, unless its a SRT4.

Because then it is a piece of crap that is too heavy without a proper lsd.

Are you stating that a srt caliber doesnt have a proper LSD or do I need to?

[Alley]

No, the Caliber does not have LSD.

[swaggy853]

No, the Caliber does not have LSD.

Just wanted to clear that up.