Vikes and the Pats

[David]

Looks like the vikes will be getting a wildcard assuming wins. With the soft schedule they have ahead of them thats pretty easy to "assume".

The pats while like the vik's game still has time left, both games could be assumed over.

Pats prove again they are the superior team and that the last 2 games are the results of underestimating their opponent and not being their A game. The Steelers who guaranteed a win today will be crawling home with their tails between their legs.


I think the patriots are in for a rude awakening with the steelers.

[David]

Pats nearly tripled the steelers total points,

Tom tossing 4 TD's and is well on pace to break the record for most TD's passed in a single season.

Pats play the jets and Miami.. A perfect season seems all to easy now.

[AWeb80]

Pats PWN. That Is All.

[coop]

i miss college football

[4 cam torino]

The Colts only needed half a game to double the points the Ravens scored in the whole game with the Ravens trying to score against Colts back ups for a third of the game.

[Thunder]

All I know is the Packers dismantled the Raiders and Craig left Mulligans during the 3rd quarter... owned

[Cotnerdude]

i miss college football


David you should post all of the bowl games so we can bet. We havent been able to bet on games the last 2 weeks.

[Cavadini]

patriots played well while the steelers played horrible. pretty easy outcome there.

i really just wish all fairweather fans would die. i miss how lincoln nebraska had tons of ram fans years ago, then patriots fans, then colts fans, now patriots again. never seen so many faces with tom bradys cum all over them in my life.

[Thunder]

i really just wish all fairweather fans would die. i miss how lincoln nebraska had tons of ram fans years ago, then patriots fans, then colts fans, now patriots again. never seen so many faces with tom bradys cum all over them in my life.

hhahahahaahhahaahhahhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

so incredibly true.

[David]

patriots played well while the steelers played horrible. pretty easy outcome there.

i really just wish all fairweather fans would die. i miss how lincoln nebraska had tons of ram fans years ago, then patriots fans, then colts fans, now patriots again. never seen so many faces with tom bradys cum all over them in my life.
:lol::lol::lol: it must be real easy to put on a fudgepacker's jearsy now. I've known you for 3 years now and never heard you say a word about the packers until this year..

[Thunder]

Thats funny, I remember going to Scotts parents house to watch the Packers get dominated during their 4-12 season 2 years ago. Pretty sure hes been a fan hahah

[David]

thats fine...it just funny that all of a sudden he's a die hard packers fan and is willing to go to great lengths to explain that he one during a winning season and call everyon else fair weather. :rolleye: Either way if he got that vicodin flavored **** out of his mouth and read my post he'd understand i'm not a fair weather fan and making comments like the "steeler's played a horrible game" is just proof how much he hates the pats. It's funny how he referrs to fair weather fans when there are only a few "pat" supporters. 1 claimed fan and 2 others that talk about the good since so many people hate the pats. OMG THEY CHEAT. OMG THEY CHEAT AND RUN THE SCORE UP. OMG THE NFL IS CONSPIRING TO HAVE THE PATS WIN.

Jesus, shut the **** up. The pats are one of the best teams to ever play. Tom Brady has the ability to go down as one of the greatest. Not to mention the Great Randy Moss. Who is probably the most talent receiver to ever play the game. The pats are an older more experianced team and thats whats winning them all these games. However with age comes problems. Will the pats be as good next year? i doubt it. I'm guess they will lose some really good talent/experiance after this year and force them to rebuild. Maybe they will be even better but thats not how it usually works.

[David]

i should note that the pats are going to lose to the vikings during the playoffs:woot:

[Cavadini]

really. the pats and vikings playing during the playoffs? you're picking the vikings for the superbowl? The vikings are not that good of a team. They have one strong point in adrian peterson and he's been stopped. Hell, we stopped him both games to under 75 yards a game and when grant was just starting out he ran for over 100 yards over the "best" rushing defense in the league. i definately dont think the vikings are superbowl caliber this year.

And just as ahmad has said, i've always watched the packers, i've always been a fan. I've traveled to arizona twice to see them with my brother (and to see them lose by the way). i just went to kc and watched em beat the chiefs. you've known me for what? two years? They've gone 4-12 and 6-6. I've watched most games i've been able to however with me workign sundays before it was hard but it's nothing to get onto a street racing website and talk about in a sports forum that was non-existant.

if you'd like me to i can post up the pictures of me with a dorsey levens jersey on or an ahman green jersey or KGB or this years new kampman jersey. fairweather, thats a good one. thanks for remembering ahmad. :) I'm glad that you can back me up and i hopefully won't be viewed as a fairweather fan by the eyes of the great david.

the packers are not getting credit for anything. Ryan Grant has 700 some yards rushing...and he sat out the first six games. He'll have over 1000 yards in 10 gaems, pretty good average. Favre has the highest completion ratings he's had in 17 years and on his way to record yardage.

and what was up with that lame vicodin comment? and what's up with "proof that he hates the pats", i'm not hiding it. I absolutely hate the patriots. nobody in lincoln has rooted for the patriots to lose more than myself and my roommate i dont think. Are they good, like i've said a billion times thusfar, yes. do i absolutely despise them? yes.

and you damn right i'll talk up the packers when everyone made fun of them and they're 11-2. it is pretty difficult to talk smack with a losing or an even record like they've been for two years. i unlike some, know when to keep my mouth shut.

[Cavadini]

PS-

Aaron Kampman + Tom Brady = Joe Theisman injury time :)

[Neversatisfied]

I guess I am a fair weather fan. I am basically just a football fan though. My team is the Jets has been since the early days of Curtis Martin(alot of you non NFL fans probably don't even remember this guy, he was never on commercials or talked about alot). My favorite player is Adrian Peterson. If AP was on the ****ing Dolphins I would like the Dolphins.

But this year I am rooting the Patriots on. I want them to shut Don Shula and that coke head Mercury Morris up. The 72 Dolphins are not the greatest team to ever play the game like they think they are, and until someone goes undefeated, those old bastards will think they were something special.

But one thing even you Patriots haters can't deny is the fact we are all possibly watching the greatest year any QB has ever had in the NFL. Tom Brady is on a different level than anyone else. Not to mention I have to root any Michigan alum on. :)

[Neversatisfied]

And for the record I don't think the Vikings have a chance in hell at the Superbowl.

[David]

And for the record I don't think the Vikings have a chance in hell at the Superbowl.


Me too but scott got so wrapped up in my first post he didn't see the humor in my post.. The vikings have been my team but overal i'm just a football fan. I cheer for the pats because of people like scott and thunder. The more i pump up the pats the more hate they and i get.. :lol:

scott don't referr to me as the great david. it's god. especially when you make predictions like the one i quoted in my first post.

[David]

I guess I am a fair weather fan. I am basically just a football fan though. My team is the Jets has been since the early days of Curtis Martin(alot of you non NFL fans probably don't even remember this guy, he was never on commercials or talked about alot). My favorite player is Adrian Peterson. If AP was on the ****ing Dolphins I would like the Dolphins.

But this year I am rooting the Patriots on. I want them to shut Don Shula and that coke head Mercury Morris up. The 72 Dolphins are not the greatest team to ever play the game like they think they are, and until someone goes undefeated, those old bastards will think they were something special.

But one thing even you Patriots haters can't deny is the fact we are all possibly watching the greatest year any QB has ever had in the NFL. Tom Brady is on a different level than anyone else. Not to mention I have to root any Michigan alum on. :)

I get so tired of seeing those old ****ing dbags getting on tv everytime a team nearly beats their record. :mad::mad: I am so ready for the pats to beat that record.

[David]

i really don't get why people "hate" the pats.

[AWeb80]

They Are too good. Tom Brady is the coolest player i've seen....as in, you talk smack, and he will burn you every time...and then laugh at you. nothing gets to him.

[4 cam torino]

i really don't get why people "hate" the pats.

As a Colts fan (not a new found colts fan but a fan since 95 and a fan that actually bought team merchandise during a 1-15 season) I'm obligated to hate the Pats, I hate the Steelers too as a result of the 95/05 season playoffs. And I still hate the Dolphins and Raiders even though they suck.

[4 cam torino]

i should note that the pats are going to lose to the vikings during the playoffs:woot:

you just claimed the Vikings will win the Super Bowl :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[4 cam torino]

I would cheer for any team besides the above mentioned teams and the Cowboys to have an undefeated season. You just can't hope teams you hate will win it all.

As far as Allan goes, it's not all the team, it's the players too. Changing the team you root for because your favorite player changes teams is a fact of free agency. There's no way around it really. I liked Green Bay when Ahman was there, now I couldn't care less about how Green Bay does other them beating the Lions this year so i don't get banned from another board :lol:

[David]

i should note that the pats are going to lose to the vikings during the playoffs:woot:

you just claimed the Vikings will win the Super Bowl :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


I can live in a dream world if i want.

It's already been touched on.. Free agent... What i loved about Minn. was randy moss. That guy is just amazing.. triple coverage and leaping over everyone else against the sideline to pull the ball down and still plant both feet in......it just makes you want to get up shout... When he left i was sad and didn't care for the viks neverly as much. But i hate the raiders... and he pretty much sucked there so when he started lighting things up in New England I can but help like them. I also think Tom is very gifted and watching those took work together is ****ing decent.

I still cheer for my viks but underneither i can admit i have some love for the pats. which exist because of free agency and all the haters.

[Thunder]

Me too but scott got so wrapped up in my first post he didn't see the humor in my post.. The vikings have been my team but overal i'm just a football fan. I cheer for the pats because of people like scott and thunder. The more i pump up the pats the more hate they and i get.. :lol:


I said I don't like fair weather fans.... I don't care if you want to cheer for the pats. I don't like the pats. I don't like Bill Belicheck. I don't know much of Tom Brady other than hes a great (see: not greatest of all time) QB. They are well coached, well organized and execute on their gameplan quite well. This is why they are 13-0.

As for claiming that scott is just coming out of the woodworks as a pack fan after a 2 year absence... thats baloney. The Packers have sucked the last couple years. Hes not an idiot fan that goes crazy every year and talks smack even when they suck. This is a good year for the Packers, we've waited a good few years (almost 10) to have a Packers team this dominant.


The vicodin comment is lame. Vicodin is a habit forming drug, and considering it was the mid 90s, its amazing Favre was level headed enough to kick the habit with the help of rehab. Same with Alcohol. Lotta guys just go deeper and deeper into it, and ruin their careers or tarnish it. Favre managed to go from potentially ruining his career and nearing divorce (was in the process in 1998, due to his alcohol addiction), to resurrecting both.

Now hes 38, hes having a GREAT year... so yeah of course us Packer fans are going to be pumped about it. On top of it, the team doing as well as they are and their discovery of the running game (Ryan Grant is a beast, pure and simple, very Dorsey Levens-like) is definitely making this years playoffs one to be excited for.

GO PACK GO

[David]

scott said he was thinking about leaving a giant turd in front of my front door for calling him fair weather...

The rest of the text was regarding who's poop is bigger, Tom's **** and vicodin flavored cum.


Very entertaining.

[Cavadini]

Korean poop > Mexican poop > tom bradys poop > allans poop

in that order.

and yes ahmad, ryan grant is the ****. extremley dorsey like. six games off and still has almost 1000 yards. he will break 1000 yards this year on 10 games, that's ****ing a good year as an undrafted free agent "rookie".

[Thunder]

The way that dude gets through the line is insane. Its like a missile... he goes real low and rockets through the hole. What looks like a 1 yard gain or even a stop, he turns into a 3-4 yard gain. You give him a passage, and hes going to hurt you for 10+ yards. Just look at that 3rd and 1 play against Dallas, where he raced past everyone right up the gut for a long TD.

[Cavadini]

no doubt. he has torn apart everyones rush defense.

[Thunder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXifeDgDs-U

[Neversatisfied]

I said I don't like fair weather fans.... I don't care if you want to cheer for the pats. I don't like the pats. I don't like Bill Belicheck. I don't know much of Tom Brady other than hes a great (see: not greatest of all time) QB. They are well coached, well organized and execute on their gameplan quite well. This is why they are 13-0.


Brady has 3 Superbowl wins in 6 full seasons(1 season as a back up). How many Superbowls does Favre have? Brady 192 TDs to 83 INTs over his career. I think one thing that can be said with certainty, no matter how many years Tom Brady plays, he will never hold the record for most INTs. :lol::lol::lol:

[4 cam torino]

Favre did set the bar pretty high with the INTs. :)

[David]

i doubt anyone will ever break that record.

[Cotnerdude]

He will and is already in the books

[Thunder]

I said I don't like fair weather fans.... I don't care if you want to cheer for the pats. I don't like the pats. I don't like Bill Belicheck. I don't know much of Tom Brady other than hes a great (see: not greatest of all time) QB. They are well coached, well organized and execute on their gameplan quite well. This is why they are 13-0.


Brady has 3 Superbowl wins in 6 full seasons(1 season as a back up). How many Superbowls does Favre have? Brady 192 TDs to 83 INTs over his career. I think one thing that can be said with certainty, no matter how many years Tom Brady plays, he will never hold the record for most INTs. :lol::lol::lol:


You know if you'd dig your head out of your behind, you'd realize that in Favres prime he was putting up comparible numbers with less weapons than tom Brady. Favre NEVER had a randy moss. And yet, for 3 straight seasons, he threw for over 35 TDs per season and no more than 16 picks in those given seasons.

Favres Prime

1994 - 33 TD 14 INT
1995 - 38 TD 13 INT
1996 - 39 TD 13 INT
1997 - 35 TD 16 INT


Brady's last few years.

2004 - 28 TD 14 INT
2005 - 26 TD 14 INT
2006 - 24 TD 12 INT
2007 - 45 TD 5 INT

Favres best year, who was his leading WR? Robert Brooks
Brady's best year, who was his leading WR? Randy Moss.

Don't tell me those 2 are even comparable.

[Thunder]

If Brett Favre had a randy moss, god only knows how many TD's he'd have today. Hell he managed to lead the league in TD Passes back in 04 with Javon Walker and Donald Driver. Where was Brady? Manning?

RIGHT!

[AWeb80]

The way that dude gets through the line is insane. Its like a missile... he goes real low and rockets through the hole. What looks like a 1 yard gain or even a stop, he turns into a 3-4 yard gain. You give him a passage, and hes going to hurt you for 10+ yards. Just look at that 3rd and 1 play against Dallas, where he raced past everyone right up the gut for a long TD.

Ya, That Was A Nice Run. who won that game again? o yea, now i remember.

[David]

Moss has god like hands but brady isn't just tossing to moss.

[Cavadini]

The way that dude gets through the line is insane. Its like a missile... he goes real low and rockets through the hole. What looks like a 1 yard gain or even a stop, he turns into a 3-4 yard gain. You give him a passage, and hes going to hurt you for 10+ yards. Just look at that 3rd and 1 play against Dallas, where he raced past everyone right up the gut for a long TD.

Ya, That Was A Nice Run. who won that game again? o yea, now i remember.

nice man crush

[Thunder]

Moss has god like hands but brady isn't just tossing to moss.

he doesn't need to... when he isn't throwing to moss... hes throwing to someones whos open because Moss is getting double or triple teamed. The stats don't lie... Brady had "good" seasons... but nothing that screams "OMG BEST QB EVAR!!!!" Favre's seasons collectively look better than Brady... Not counting this year for Brady, Favre would have 40 more TDs than Brady with MAYBE 6 or 7 more pics.

[David]

So your going to discredit Tom because it basically makes you feel better about farve?

I guess all those rings that Tom has were because of moss too.

[4 cam torino]

Let me start this post by saying I hate the Patriots and Brady.

Brady had NOTHING last year. He might as well have been throwing to himself. And he still had a good year (not great) and nearly made it to another Super Bowl which had his team made it he would have won. I don't know what more you can do to show he is great than last year. His top receiver going into the season held out and ended up going to another team and he still put up good numbers. Even with all the nobodies he was throwing to dropping passes they had no reason to not catch. The fact that he can get a ball into some nobody's hands is impressive in itself because you know that nobody isn't getting the separation or running as good of a route as a good receiver would. Don't look at this year to call Brady great, look at last year when he was what, a quarter from having another ring with nothing to work with.

You talk about Favre having bad years because he had no receivers. Your own argument helps prove how good Brady is, because even his years with no help are still conference championship game seasons with pro bowl numbers.

[Neversatisfied]

If Brett Favre had a randy moss, god only knows how many TD's he'd have today. Hell he managed to lead the league in TD Passes back in 04 with Javon Walker and Donald Driver. Where was Brady? Manning?

RIGHT!Both Walker and Driver are pretty good. Not Randy Moss good, but good. The Packers could have picked up Moss. It would have only costed them a 4th round pick. Its not my fault they didn't feel like gambling on a guy with the most upside of anyone in NFL history at the WR position.

[Neversatisfied]

Let me start this post by saying I hate the Patriots and Brady.

Brady had NOTHING last year. He might as well have been throwing to himself. And he still had a good year (not great) and nearly made it to another Super Bowl which had his team made it he would have won. I don't know what more you can do to show he is great than last year. His top receiver going into the season held out and ended up going to another team and he still put up good numbers. Even with all the nobodies he was throwing to dropping passes they had no reason to not catch. The fact that he can get a ball into some nobody's hands is impressive in itself because you know that nobody isn't getting the separation or running as good of a route as a good receiver would. Don't look at this year to call Brady great, look at last year when he was what, a quarter from having another ring with nothing to work with.

You talk about Favre having bad years because he had no receivers. Your own argument helps prove how good Brady is, because even his years with no help are still conference championship game seasons with pro bowl numbers.
This coming from a Colts fan. Anyone knows any Colts fan has way more of a reason to hate on the Patriots than anyone else. Tom Brady has been in the league less than half as long as Favre. Tom is going to shatter alot of single season records this year, then 10 years down the road if he still has his mind right he will be shattering Favre's all time records(alot of which will belong to Peyton Manning before Tom Brady gets there). But who could blame this guy for getting out while he is young so he can devote more time to ****ing supermodels and other Hollywood bitches? I know I won't.

Why did Favre have better stats for a few years than Brady did? Well for one because the Patriots were a running team up until this year. Corey Dill is gone, the Patriots become a passing team and they go out and get a few receivers and now Tom Brady is lighting everyone up. I don't care who you are throwing the ball to, a 70% completion percentage is absolutely crazy. 45 TDs to 5 INTs? There is no way a QB that didn't have great decision making abilities could do that. Favre couldn't do that with Randy Moss, TO, Reggie Wayne, and Chad Johnson catching balls for him. He doesn't have the aptitude for it.

[Thunder]

You talk about Favre having bad years because he had no receivers. Your own argument helps prove how good Brady is, because even his years with no help are still conference championship game seasons with pro bowl numbers.


The difference is, Favre started lacking WRs as he got older and retirement talk was swirling. Its obvious that he pressed way too much and that led to quite a few picks. He only had 3-4 years in his 17 year career where he was a pick machine.

And allan... you're argument is void. Brady will finish with 11 or 12 more TDs than Favre did in his best career... and that will be the Randy moss difference. How much does moss have? Oh thats right, 19... yes NINETEEN td catches.

[Thunder]

So your going to discredit Tom because it basically makes you feel better about farve?

I guess all those rings that Tom has were because of moss too.

Ignorance is bliss. You really must be at peace with yourself.

[David]

:rolleye:So your going to discredit Tom because it basically makes you feel better about farve?

I guess all those rings that Tom has were because of moss too.

Ignorance is bliss. You really must be at peace with yourself.

Look in the mirror you ignorant ass. Seriously read your post and think about what you just said.

[Thunder]

Well if you would just THINK once, you'd realize that NO where have I discredited Tom Brady's statistics.

And on top of it, Tom Brady didn't earn those rings single handedly... something about a good defense and a sound running game had a bit to do with it too.

[David]

No your wrong. Tom Brady is better than Farve. Get over it.

[Thunder]

Hahahahaha not much stock is taken in what a fair weather fan says.

[Neversatisfied]

You talk about Favre having bad years because he had no receivers. Your own argument helps prove how good Brady is, because even his years with no help are still conference championship game seasons with pro bowl numbers.


The difference is, Favre started lacking WRs as he got older and retirement talk was swirling. Its obvious that he pressed way too much and that led to quite a few picks. He only had 3-4 years in his 17 year career where he was a pick machine.

And allan... you're argument is void. Brady will finish with 11 or 12 more TDs than Favre did in his best career... and that will be the Randy moss difference. How much does moss have? Oh thats right, 19... yes NINETEEN td catches.Damn, Moss is a maniac isn't he? The Packers should have traded a 4th rounder for him. Hell, the Packers should have traded that 2nd rounder they wasted on Brandon Jackson for Moss, and they would way ahead. In fact the Packers could have traded every single one of their draft picks other than maybe that kicker from Colorado for Moss, and that would not have been a bad deal. That kicker is a bad ass. He gots range from 70+.

Regardless if the Patriots had Moss or not the Patriots would have a better record than the Packers, and Brady would have more TD passes than Favre. TROOF

[Thunder]

Regardless if the Patriots had Moss or not the Patriots would have a better record than the Packers, and Brady would have more TD passes than Favre. TROOF

I have a hard time believing that... the dude has 19 TD catches and draws more attention than Lindsey Lohan at a Hollywood mall. I heard rumors of a new RandyMoss defense package... its a 0-3-8 setup. 6 of those 8 DBs, get put on Randy Moss.

[David]

Hahahahaha not much stock is taken in what a fair weather fan says.


I'm not a fan... you'er just a dumb ass fan who's got farve's **** so far up your ass you can't see facts... When you want to compare stats let me know. Don't go making excuses like it's all because of moss.

[David]

Regardless if the Patriots had Moss or not the Patriots would have a better record than the Packers, and Brady would have more TD passes than Favre. TROOF

I have a hard time believing that... the dude has 19 TD catches and draws more attention than Lindsey Lohan at a Hollywood mall. I heard rumors of a new RandyMoss defense package... its a 0-3-8 setup. 6 of those 8 DBs, get put on Randy Moss.


So if the packers had moss they'd be undefeated and being sizing their fingers for superbowl rings. :rolleye:

[Thunder]

Hahahahaha not much stock is taken in what a fair weather fan says.


I'm not a fan... you'er just a dumb ass fan who's got farve's **** so far up your ass you can't see facts... When you want to compare stats let me know. Don't go making excuses like it's all because of moss.

You're right, you're not a fan. It shows.

[Thunder]

Regardless if the Patriots had Moss or not the Patriots would have a better record than the Packers, and Brady would have more TD passes than Favre. TROOF

I have a hard time believing that... the dude has 19 TD catches and draws more attention than Lindsey Lohan at a Hollywood mall. I heard rumors of a new RandyMoss defense package... its a 0-3-8 setup. 6 of those 8 DBs, get put on Randy Moss.


So if the packers had moss they'd be undefeated and being sizing their fingers for superbowl rings. :rolleye:

The Packers are the youngest team in the league. They were bound to hit a few bumps that even Randy Moss couldn't fix. By the way, 11-2 for a team whos average age is 27 years old, isn't too bad.

[David]

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_extended="true">334</TD><TD _extended="true">530</TD><TD _extended="true">63.0</TD><TD _extended="true">4,110</TD><TD _extended="true">7.8</TD><TD _extended="true">26</TD><TD _extended="true">14</TD><TD _extended="true">26</TD><TD _extended="true">188</TD><TD _extended="true">92.3</TD><TD _extended="true">27</TD><TD _extended="true">89</TD><TD _extended="true">3.3</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">4</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2004 </TD><TD _extended="true">New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE)</TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">288</TD><TD _extended="true">474</TD><TD _extended="true">60.8</TD><TD _extended="true">3,692</TD><TD _extended="true">7.8</TD><TD _extended="true">28</TD><TD _extended="true">14</TD><TD _extended="true">26</TD><TD _extended="true">162</TD><TD _extended="true">92.6</TD><TD _extended="true">43</TD><TD _extended="true">28</TD><TD _extended="true">0.7</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">7</TD><TD _extended="true">5</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2003 </TD><TD _extended="true">New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">317</TD><TD _extended="true">527</TD><TD _extended="true">60.2 </TD><TD _extended="true">3,620</TD><TD _extended="true">6.9</TD><TD _extended="true">23</TD><TD _extended="true">12</TD><TD _extended="true">32</TD><TD _extended="true">219</TD><TD _extended="true">85.9</TD><TD _extended="true">42</TD><TD _extended="true">63</TD><TD _extended="true">1.5</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">13</TD><TD _extended="true">5</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2002 </TD><TD _extended="true">New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE)</TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">373</TD><TD _extended="true">601</TD><TD _extended="true">62.1</TD><TD _extended="true">3,764</TD><TD _extended="true">6.3</TD><TD _extended="true">28</TD><TD _extended="true">14</TD><TD _extended="true">31</TD><TD _extended="true">190</TD><TD _extended="true">85.7</TD><TD _extended="true">42</TD><TD _extended="true">110</TD><TD _extended="true">2.6</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">11</TD><TD _extended="true">5</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2001 </TD><TD _extended="true">New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) </TD><TD _extended="true">15 </TD><TD _extended="true">14 </TD><TD _extended="true">264</TD><TD _extended="true">413</TD><TD _extended="true">63.9</TD><TD _extended="true">2,843</TD><TD _extended="true">6.9</TD><TD _extended="true">18</TD><TD _extended="true">12</TD><TD _extended="true">41</TD><TD _extended="true">216</TD><TD _extended="true">86.5</TD><TD _extended="true">36</TD><TD _extended="true">43</TD><TD _extended="true">1.2</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">12</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2000 </TD><TD _extended="true">New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) </TD><TD _extended="true">1 </TD><TD _extended="true">0 </TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD><TD _extended="true">33.3</TD><TD _extended="true">6</TD><TD _extended="true">2.0</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">42.4</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead _extended="true"><TD class=bold style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" colSpan=4 _extended="true">TOTAL</TD><TD _extended="true">2,230</TD><TD _extended="true">3,540</TD><TD _extended="true">63.0</TD><TD _extended="true">25,659</TD><TD _extended="true">7.2</TD><TD _extended="true">192</TD><TD _extended="true">83</TD><TD _extended="true">198</TD><TD _extended="true">1,251</TD><TD _extended="true">93.1</TD><TD _extended="true">264</TD><TD _extended="true">517</TD><TD _extended="true">2.0</TD><TD _extended="true">5</TD><TD _extended="true">64</TD><TD _extended="true">28</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Thunder]

Yeah, because going from 24 TD passes to 45 TD passes and still counting, is just him getting better in the offseason. Look at his ratings... low 90s, high 80s? Favre was putting up upper 90s for a few years. WEAK

[David]

<TABLE class="w655px datatablecell" cellSpacing=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class="datatablehead GBcolors" _extended="true"><TD colSpan=20 _extended="true">Career Stats more (http://www.nfl.com/players/brettfavre/careerstats?id=FAV540222) </TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead _extended="true"><TD rowSpan=2 _extended="true">Season</TD><TD rowSpan=2 _extended="true">Team</TD><TD colSpan=2 _extended="true"></TD><TD colSpan=10 _extended="true">Passing</TD><TD colSpan=4 _extended="true">Rushing</TD><TD colSpan=2 _extended="true">Fumbles</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">G</TD><TD _extended="true">GS</TD><TD _extended="true">Comp</TD><TD _extended="true">Att</TD><TD _extended="true">Pct</TD><TD _extended="true">Yds</TD><TD _extended="true">Avg</TD><TD _extended="true">TD</TD><TD _extended="true">Int</TD><TD _extended="true">Sck</TD><TD _extended="true">SckY</TD><TD _extended="true">Rate</TD><TD _extended="true">Att</TD><TD _extended="true">Yds</TD><TD _extended="true">Avg</TD><TD _extended="true">TD</TD><TD _extended="true">FUM</TD><TD _extended="true">Lost</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2007 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">13 </TD><TD _extended="true">13 </TD><TD _extended="true">311</TD><TD _extended="true">462</TD><TD _extended="true">67.3</TD><TD _extended="true"> 3,678</TD><TD _extended="true">8.0</TD><TD _extended="true">24</TD><TD _extended="true">11</TD><TD _extended="true">14</TD><TD _extended="true">89</TD><TD _extended="true">98.7</TD><TD _extended="true">22</TD><TD _extended="true">-6</TD><TD _extended="true">-0.3</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">8</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2006 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">343</TD><TD _extended="true">613</TD><TD _extended="true">56.0</TD><TD _extended="true"> 3,885</TD><TD _extended="true">6.3</TD><TD _extended="true">18</TD><TD _extended="true">18</TD><TD _extended="true">21</TD><TD _extended="true">134</TD><TD _extended="true">72.7</TD><TD _extended="true">23</TD><TD _extended="true">29</TD><TD _extended="true">1.3</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">8</TD><TD _extended="true">5</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2005 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">372</TD><TD _extended="true">607</TD><TD _extended="true">61.3</TD><TD _extended="true"> 3,881</TD><TD _extended="true">6.4</TD><TD _extended="true">20</TD><TD _extended="true">29</TD><TD _extended="true">24</TD><TD _extended="true">170</TD><TD _extended="true">70.9</TD><TD _extended="true">18</TD><TD _extended="true">62</TD><TD _extended="true">3.4</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">10</TD><TD _extended="true">7</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2004 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">346</TD><TD _extended="true">540</TD><TD _extended="true">64.1</TD><TD _extended="true"> 4,088</TD><TD _extended="true">7.6</TD><TD _extended="true">30</TD><TD _extended="true">17</TD><TD _extended="true">12</TD><TD _extended="true">93</TD><TD _extended="true">92.4</TD><TD _extended="true">16</TD><TD _extended="true">36</TD><TD _extended="true">2.3</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">4</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD></TR><TR class=over onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2003 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">308</TD><TD _extended="true">471</TD><TD _extended="true">65.4</TD><TD _extended="true"> 3,361</TD><TD _extended="true">7.1</TD><TD _extended="true">32</TD><TD _extended="true">21</TD><TD _extended="true">19</TD><TD _extended="true">137</TD><TD _extended="true">90.4</TD><TD _extended="true">18</TD><TD _extended="true">15</TD><TD _extended="true">0.8</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">5</TD><TD _extended="true">2</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2002 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">341</TD><TD _extended="true">551</TD><TD _extended="true">61.9</TD><TD _extended="true"> 3,658</TD><TD _extended="true">6.6</TD><TD _extended="true">27</TD><TD _extended="true">16</TD><TD _extended="true">26</TD><TD _extended="true">188</TD><TD _extended="true">85.6</TD><TD _extended="true">25</TD><TD _extended="true">73</TD><TD _extended="true">2.9</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">10</TD><TD _extended="true">4</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2001 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">314</TD><TD _extended="true">510</TD><TD _extended="true">61.6</TD><TD _extended="true"> 3,921</TD><TD _extended="true">7.7</TD><TD _extended="true">32</TD><TD _extended="true">15</TD><TD _extended="true">22</TD><TD _extended="true">151</TD><TD _extended="true">94.1</TD><TD _extended="true">38</TD><TD _extended="true">56</TD><TD _extended="true">1.5</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">16</TD><TD _extended="true">6</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2000 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">16 </TD><TD _extended="true">338</TD><TD _extended="true">580</TD><TD _extended="true">58.3</TD><TD _extended="true"> 3,812</TD><TD _extended="true">6.6</TD><TD _extended="true">20</TD><TD _extended="true">16</TD><TD _extended="true">33</TD><TD _extended="true">236</TD><TD _extended="true">78.0</TD><TD _extended="true">27</TD><TD _extended="true">108</TD><TD _extended="true">4.0</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">9</TD><TD _extended="true">5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Thunder]

02-04 Looks like Favre was the better QB haha. Thats sad.

[Thunder]

Omg liek tom brady suxz0rz. They cheeted this y3ar thas y hes so gud!!!

[David]

so in the last decade how many superbowls has farve won?

[David]

02-04 Looks like Favre was the better QB haha. Thats sad.


Better stats and no where near a superbowl... huh... he must be great then.

[David]

Tom's worst QB rating at the end of the year > Farve's average.

Farve never with a 100+ qb rating. NEVER

Tom with rating in the 70's.. NEVER
Farve 5x's.

[Thunder]

Packers didn't have a defense. Apparently you forgot that a defense has to take the field with 11man football. I don't expect you to understand, since you're not a fan... so I won't grill you further about it.

It is funny he put up better numbers with Favre having a broken thumb wearing a cast the last 12 games of the season in 04 (on his throwing hand) and having dealt with elbow tendonitis. Of course the Packers rushing attack was simply the best in the league (ahman green over 1800 yards and the team as a whole with 2500)... but unfortunately Mike McKenzie didn't know how to intercept a ball and Al Harris was still too fresh with the team to make an immediate impact. Linebackers were subpar at best and DBs were undersized and not aggressive (ie mark roman sucked) So what happened? 4th and 26 happened. FAIL

[Neversatisfied]

The only stats that really need mentioned are these:

Tom Brady TD to INT ratio: 192/83= 2.313 TDs to INTs

Brett Favre TD to INT ratio: 438/284= 1.542 TDs to INTs

Tom Brady Superbowl rings: 3 (soon to be 4) in 7 full seasons. Superbowl ring in 43% of the seasons he has been in the NFL.

Brett Favre Superbowl rings: 1 (nothing more anytime soon) in 16 full seasons. Superbowl ring in 6% of the seasons he has been in the NFL.

The first stat proves how many times each throws to the other team compared to the amount of times they put the ball in the end zone. The second stat proves who wins games when they matter.

[Thunder]

Theres a difference between pushing buttons, and being retarded Allan. You're walking that fine line.

[David]

INT Since 2000

Tom =83
Farve= 143

huh... I bet if farve had better recievers it would have change the fact that he was passing to the other team.

[Neversatisfied]

Theres a difference between pushing buttons, and being retarded Allan. You're walking that fine line.I could say the same to you. Tom Brady > Brett Favre.

We are talking about a proven winner and a proven gun slinger. That gun slinger cost the Packers as many wins as their defense ever has. Throwing to the other team loses games, plain and simple. Look at the stats from any game, and about 90% of the time the team that turns the ball over more loses. Its just the way it is.

[Thunder]

I still don't get why we aren't comparing Favres stats from 94-98, back when the Packers were an upper echelon team (see: great offense, great defense) to Brady's current run. You HAVE to bring up the last 7 years, because the packers were a mediocre team to flat out poor.

[Thunder]

I could say the same to you. Tom Brady > Brett Favre.

We are talking about a proven winner and a proven gun slinger. That gun slinger cost the Packers as many wins as their defense ever has. Throwing to the other team loses games, plain and simple. Look at the stats from any game, and about 90% of the time the team that turns the ball over more loses. Its just the way it is.

I've already admitted Favres recent stretch of years have not been the greatest and yes they have lost games because of it. I just don't get whats with comparing the Packers worst teams in Favres career to Brady's current stretch where the Patriots are nothing short of a Dynasty. They were one in the making with Bledsoes final year in NE. Go check the Gunslingers stats from 94-98 and come back to me.

[David]

<TABLE class="w655px datatablecell" cellSpacing=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class="datatablehead GBcolors" _extended="true"><TD colSpan=20 _extended="true">Career Stats more (http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronrodgers/careerstats?id=ROD339293) </TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead _extended="true"><TD rowSpan=2 _extended="true">Season</TD><TD rowSpan=2 _extended="true">Team</TD><TD colSpan=2 _extended="true"></TD><TD colSpan=10 _extended="true">Passing</TD><TD colSpan=4 _extended="true">Rushing</TD><TD colSpan=2 _extended="true">Fumbles</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">G</TD><TD _extended="true">GS</TD><TD _extended="true">Comp</TD><TD _extended="true">Att</TD><TD _extended="true">Pct</TD><TD _extended="true">Yds</TD><TD _extended="true">Avg</TD><TD _extended="true">TD</TD><TD _extended="true">Int</TD><TD _extended="true">Sck</TD><TD _extended="true">SckY</TD><TD _extended="true">Rate</TD><TD _extended="true">Att</TD><TD _extended="true">Yds</TD><TD _extended="true">Avg</TD><TD _extended="true">TD</TD><TD _extended="true">FUM</TD><TD _extended="true">Lost</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2007 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">2 </TD><TD _extended="true">0 </TD><TD _extended="true">20</TD><TD _extended="true">28</TD><TD _extended="true">71.4</TD><TD _extended="true">218</TD><TD _extended="true">7.8</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD><TD _extended="true">24</TD><TD _extended="true">106.0</TD><TD _extended="true">7</TD><TD _extended="true">29</TD><TD _extended="true">4.1</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD><TD _extended="true">--</TD></TR><TR class=rowAlt onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className='rowAlt'" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2006 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">2 </TD><TD _extended="true">0 </TD><TD _extended="true">6</TD><TD _extended="true">15</TD><TD _extended="true">40.0</TD><TD _extended="true">46</TD><TD _extended="true">3.1</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD><TD _extended="true">18</TD><TD _extended="true">48.2</TD><TD _extended="true">2</TD><TD _extended="true">11</TD><TD _extended="true">5.5</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''" _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2005 </TD><TD _extended="true">Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) </TD><TD _extended="true">3 </TD><TD _extended="true">0 </TD><TD _extended="true">9</TD><TD _extended="true">16</TD><TD _extended="true">56.3</TD><TD _extended="true">65</TD><TD _extended="true">4.1</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD><TD _extended="true">28</TD><TD _extended="true">39.8</TD><TD _extended="true">2</TD><TD _extended="true">7</TD><TD _extended="true">3.5</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">2</TD><TD _extended="true">2</TD></TR><TR class=datatabledatahead _extended="true"><TD class=bold style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" colSpan=4 _extended="true">TOTAL</TD><TD _extended="true">35</TD><TD _extended="true">59</TD><TD _extended="true">59.3</TD><TD _extended="true">329</TD><TD _extended="true">5.6</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">1</TD><TD _extended="true">9</TD><TD _extended="true">70</TD><TD _extended="true">73.3</TD><TD _extended="true">11</TD><TD _extended="true">47</TD><TD _extended="true">4.3</TD><TD _extended="true">0</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD><TD _extended="true">3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Thunder]

1998 Green Bay Packers 16 40 2.5 133 3.3 8.3 1 35 13 32.5 1 0 1
1997 Green Bay Packers 16 58 3.6 187 3.2 11.7 1 16 16 27.6 0 0 2
1996 Green Bay Packers 16 49 3.1 136 2.8 8.5 2 23 18 36.7 1 0 2
1995 Green Bay Packers 16 39 2.4 181 4.6 11.3 3 40 17 43.6 2 1 1
1994 Green Bay Packers 16 42 2.6 202 4.8 12.6 2 36T 14 33.3 3 0 1

[Neversatisfied]

That doesn't change the fact that the ball came out of Favre's hand and into the defender's hand much more frequently. Brady's receivers for alot of his career were down right shitty. Last year he probably had the worst receiving core in the NFL in fact, but his team still won 11 games and went to the AFC championship game by beating a pretty dominant 14 win San Diego team.

The Dolphins were mediocre/bad for a good # of Marino's years, and we could compare their #s if you want. Marino never had any big name receivers down there either.

[Thunder]

blah i don't want to edit it.

[Thunder]

That doesn't change the fact that the ball came out of Favre's hand and into the defender's hand much more frequently. Brady's receivers for alot of his career were down right shitty. Last year he probably had the worst receiving core in the NFL in fact, but his team still won 11 games and went to the AFC championship game by beating a pretty dominant 14 win San Diego team.

The Dolphins were mediocre/bad for a good # of Marino's years, and we could compare their #s if you want. Marino never had any big name receivers down there either.

I think Favre has already proven hes put up better numbers than Marino. Since hes breaking his records and all having played 1 less season....

[Thunder]

I'm glad this forum is at least getting some use hahahaha. I'm off to own n00bs in counterstrike.

[Neversatisfied]

I could say the same to you. Tom Brady > Brett Favre.

We are talking about a proven winner and a proven gun slinger. That gun slinger cost the Packers as many wins as their defense ever has. Throwing to the other team loses games, plain and simple. Look at the stats from any game, and about 90% of the time the team that turns the ball over more loses. Its just the way it is.

I've already admitted Favres recent stretch of years have not been the greatest and yes they have lost games because of it. I just don't get whats with comparing the Packers worst teams in Favres career to Brady's current stretch where the Patriots are nothing short of a Dynasty. They were one in the making with Bledsoes final year in NE. Go check the Gunslingers stats from 94-98 and come back to me.
So you want to compare stats of a QB from the 5 best years of a 16 year career with stats from a guy that has been in the league for 7 years that has lead a predominantly running team? Brady didn't even play his first year in the league. So that makes basically(not including this year which is Brady's best by far) a little under 6 full seasons.

Ok here is my comparison. Brett Favre INTs from 94-98:
94: 14
95: 13
96: 13
97: 16
98: 23

Tom Brady INTs during any year he was the starting QB on the first game of the season:
02: 14
03: 12
04: 14
05: 14
06: 12

Favre total (in his greatest years): 79
Brady total (from his only years): 66

[Neversatisfied]

That doesn't change the fact that the ball came out of Favre's hand and into the defender's hand much more frequently. Brady's receivers for alot of his career were down right shitty. Last year he probably had the worst receiving core in the NFL in fact, but his team still won 11 games and went to the AFC championship game by beating a pretty dominant 14 win San Diego team.

The Dolphins were mediocre/bad for a good # of Marino's years, and we could compare their #s if you want. Marino never had any big name receivers down there either.

I think Favre has already proven hes put up better numbers than Marino. Since hes breaking his records and all having played 1 less season....

Dan Marino total games: 242
Brett Favre total games: 254

Dan Marino TD per game: 1.736
Brett Favre TD per game: 1.724

Dan Marino TD per INT ratio: 420/252 = 1.667
Brett Favre TD per INT ratio: 438/284 = 1.542

Marino career passer rating: 86.4
Favre career passer rating: 85.8

Marino yards per attempt: 7.3
Favre yards per attempt: 7.0

Marino SB rings: 0
Favre SB rings: 1

[ADV1]

OK, I'm not gonna get into a **** slinging thing here because both QB's are awsome, Farve deserves everything that is going to come to him (Hall of Fame). Tom will get his some day too... there is no denying that the Pats are a dynasty and the new "Americas Team" Similar to the old Cowboys of the 90's...

With that said, I will say one thing about Farve, He is damn good and hard to replace... my own Matt Hasslebeck came from GB and would have never had a chance to show his stuff with Farve in the way so I think that says something about him... Matt is a Great QB and I think you'll see someday that he will be up there with the stats as well...

GO SEAHAWKS!!! :D

[Thunder]

Seems like all the QBs who came out of Green Bay ended up being successful to some degree. Aaron brooks even had a couple good years. I like Matt Hasselbeck a lot and Mark Brunell was definitely a pretty good qb.

[Neversatisfied]

Mark Brunnel was decent with Jacksonville, but when he left Jacksonville he was washed up. He was never worth a damn while at Washington. I was, and have never been a fan of Hasslebeck, but he was always just above average before this year in my opinion. He is definitely a top QB this year though. Ever since Holmgren changed the offense to a pass oriented offense he has really shown his decision making ability and has managed the games well.

[4 cam torino]

Come on, you can at least compare the first 8 years of Brady's career to the first 8 of Favre's for more apples to apples.

1997 Green Bay Packers 16 513 304 59.3 32.1 3,867 7.5 241.7 35 6.8 16 3.1 74 61 9 25 176 92.6
1996 Green Bay Packers 16 543 325 59.9 33.9 3,899 7.2 243.7 39 7.2 13 2.4 80T 49 11 40 241 95.8
1995 Green Bay Packers 16 570 359 63.0 35.6 4,413 7.7 275.8 38 6.7 13 2.3 99T 59 5 33 217 99.5
1994 Green Bay Packers 16 582 363 62.4 36.4 3,882 6.7 242.6 33 5.7 14 2.4 49 44 4 31 188 90.7
1993 Green Bay Packers 16 522 318 60.9 32.6 3,303 6.3 206.4 19 3.6 24 4.6 66T 37 5 30 199 72.2
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 471 302 64.1 31.4 3,227 6.9 215.1 18 3.8 13 2.8 76T 30 9 34 208 85.3
1991 Atlanta Falcons 2 4 0 0.0 2.0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0.0 2 50.0 0 0 0 1 11 0.0

[4 cam torino]

Holy crap, I missed w whole page of posts, damn this got a lot of action today.

[Thunder]

Come on, you can at least compare the first 8 years of Brady's career to the first 8 of Favre's for more apples to apples.

1997 Green Bay Packers 16 513 304 59.3 32.1 3,867 7.5 241.7 35 6.8 16 3.1 74 61 9 25 176 92.6
1996 Green Bay Packers 16 543 325 59.9 33.9 3,899 7.2 243.7 39 7.2 13 2.4 80T 49 11 40 241 95.8
1995 Green Bay Packers 16 570 359 63.0 35.6 4,413 7.7 275.8 38 6.7 13 2.3 99T 59 5 33 217 99.5
1994 Green Bay Packers 16 582 363 62.4 36.4 3,882 6.7 242.6 33 5.7 14 2.4 49 44 4 31 188 90.7
1993 Green Bay Packers 16 522 318 60.9 32.6 3,303 6.3 206.4 19 3.6 24 4.6 66T 37 5 30 199 72.2
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 471 302 64.1 31.4 3,227 6.9 215.1 18 3.8 13 2.8 76T 30 9 34 208 85.3
1991 Atlanta Falcons 2 4 0 0.0 2.0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0.0 2 50.0 0 0 0 1 11 0.0


no you're not allowed to do that. You're supposed to pick and choose favres worst years to compare... a banged up mid 30s year old qb vs a fresh upstart playing for a dynasty.

[David]

Come on, you can at least compare the first 8 years of Brady's career to the first 8 of Favre's for more apples to apples.

1997 Green Bay Packers 16 513 304 59.3 32.1 3,867 7.5 241.7 35 6.8 16 3.1 74 61 9 25 176 92.6
1996 Green Bay Packers 16 543 325 59.9 33.9 3,899 7.2 243.7 39 7.2 13 2.4 80T 49 11 40 241 95.8
1995 Green Bay Packers 16 570 359 63.0 35.6 4,413 7.7 275.8 38 6.7 13 2.3 99T 59 5 33 217 99.5
1994 Green Bay Packers 16 582 363 62.4 36.4 3,882 6.7 242.6 33 5.7 14 2.4 49 44 4 31 188 90.7
1993 Green Bay Packers 16 522 318 60.9 32.6 3,303 6.3 206.4 19 3.6 24 4.6 66T 37 5 30 199 72.2
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 471 302 64.1 31.4 3,227 6.9 215.1 18 3.8 13 2.8 76T 30 9 34 208 85.3
1991 Atlanta Falcons 2 4 0 0.0 2.0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0.0 2 50.0 0 0 0 1 11 0.0


no you're not allowed to do that. You're supposed to pick and choose favres worst years to compare... a banged up mid 30s year old qb vs a fresh upstart playing for a dynasty.


I really don't see how this justifies what your talking about and the OMG you can't do that is just a lame way for you not to responde to the comparison...

so when brett had this super packers team that you want to bring back up... hwo many superbowls did they win?

[ADV1]

I was, and have never been a fan of Hasslebeck, but he was always just above average before this year in my opinion. He is definitely a top QB this year though. Ever since Holmgren changed the offense to a pass oriented offense he has really shown his decision making ability and has managed the games well.



You hit it right on the head, I don't think it was ever Matt's fault... Mike tried to rely on the Run so much that when they got into problems Matt had to force things and as you know, that doesn't always work... Matt is smart and my favorite...

It saddens me greatly that my team still tries to push Sean alexander... the guy "Was" great when he had something to prove, He got banged up a couple of times and now that he has is big fancy contract he is a Dud... The Seahawks need some new talent in there and it'll be awsome...


Btw, Matt's numbers

2007 Seattle Seahawks 13 13 292 469 62.3 3,346 7.1 24 10 26 147 91.9 33 57 1.7 0 6 3
2006 Seattle Seahawks 12 12 210 371 56.6 2,442 6.6 18 15 34 229 76.0 18 110 6.1 0 3 2
2005 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 294 449 65.5 3,459 7.7 24 9 24 154 98.2 36 124 3.4 1 4 2
2004 Seattle Seahawks 14 14 279 474 58.9 3,382 7.1 22 15 30 155 83.1 27 90 3.3 1 5 1
2003 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 313 513 61.0 3,841 7.5 26 15 42 246 88.8 36 125 3.5 2 4 1
2002 Seattle Seahawks 16 10 267 419 63.7 3,075 7.3 15 10 26 143 87.8 40 202 5.1 1 5 4
2001 Seattle Seahawks 13 12 176 321 54.8 2,023 6.3 7 8 38 251 70.9 40 141 3.5 0 6 2
2000 Green Bay Packers 16 0 10 19 52.6 104 5.5 1 0 1 2 86.3 4 -5 -1.3 0 -- --
1999 Green Bay Packers 16 0 3 10 30.0 41 4.1 1 0 1 9 77.5 6 15 2.5 0 1 0
TOTAL 1,844 3,045 60.6 21,713 7.1 138 82 222 1,336 86.1 240 859 3.6 5 34 15


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[ADV1]

**** that sucked...


Go here for the stats... http://www.nfl.com/players/matthasselbeck/profile?id=HAS536799

[Neversatisfied]

no you're not allowed to do that. You're supposed to pick and choose favres worst years to compare... a banged up mid 30s year old qb vs a fresh upstart playing for a dynasty.

You were the one that tried to pick and choose years. I was comparing each's body of work, but you didn't think that was fair. Hell, I even brought in that old timer Marino for you to compare, but you didn't even respond. I am not really sure what you want to compare, but you pick and choose what you want to compare, and we will debate this out. How about Favres best 5 years vs. Brady's 5 worst. Whatever you want to debate, I will argue the opposite side of.

[Neversatisfied]

I was, and have never been a fan of Hasslebeck, but he was always just above average before this year in my opinion. He is definitely a top QB this year though. Ever since Holmgren changed the offense to a pass oriented offense he has really shown his decision making ability and has managed the games well.



You hit it right on the head, I don't think it was ever Matt's fault... Mike tried to rely on the Run so much that when they got into problems Matt had to force things and as you know, that doesn't always work... Matt is smart and my favorite...

It saddens me greatly that my team still tries to push Sean alexander... the guy "Was" great when he had something to prove, He got banged up a couple of times and now that he has is big fancy contract he is a Dud... The Seahawks need some new talent in there and it'll be awsome...


Btw, Matt's numbers

I heard the Seahawks might try to go after Jonathan Stewart in the draft out of Oregon. He would fit in well up there I think seeing he is a good receiver out of the backfield. Who knows, maybe the Seahawks could land a guy like Steve Slaton also. Hell, they could probably even hold out and take Mike Hart in the 2nd round.

[Thunder]

Learn to read, I already did respond to the earlier comparison.

The Packers only had 2 years where you could consider them to be a "super team"... 96 season and 97 season. They were solid playoff contenders slightly before and after, but not the best team in the league (in terms of talent or record). However Favre still performed well. The 95 Packers finished 11-5 with a trip to the NFC Championship game but lost to Dallas (Who eventually beat down the Steelers for the Super bowl) That year Favre lead the league with 38 TD passes, won an NFL MVP and got NFL Offensive Player of the Year.

96 team was the legitimate "Super Team" The Packers finished 13-3. This is the year the Packers beat the ever living crap outta everyone in the playoffs. 35-14 win over SF 49ers, 30-13 win vs the Panthers, then took out the Patriots 35-21. Packers lead the league with 456 points scored that season. How you say? Brett Favre. Lead league again with 39 TD passes this time opposed to only 13 interceptions. A 107.5 QB rating throughout the playoffs. Another NFL MVP on top of that.

The 97 team also went 13-3 and coasted through the playoffs. Again Favre lead the league in TD passes, and yet again gets another NFL MVP. The packers lost though in the super bowl to the broncos, as the defense could not contain terrell davis.

cliffs - Favre = back to back to back MVP awards... first player to do as such... first player to even have 3. Not even the great tom brady has a single one. Yeah yeah he has the rings, but the super bowl is a team effort. The MVP is strictly a player award.

Favre > Brady.

[Thunder]

You were the one that tried to pick and choose years. I was comparing each's body of work, but you didn't think that was fair. Hell, I even brought in that old timer Marino for you to compare, but you didn't even respond. I am not really sure what you want to compare, but you pick and choose what you want to compare, and we will debate this out. How about Favres best 5 years vs. Brady's 5 worst. Whatever you want to debate, I will argue the opposite side of.


Apparently you missed the part where I said just pick each players prime years. I skipped Brady's first 3 years. I skipped favres first 3 years. Then I just compared Brady's last 4 vs the 4 years in which Favre was on top of his game. So don't give me that crap about I didn't respond.

As for Marinos stats, I didn't respond because I didn't feel I had to...

[Neversatisfied]

How is a guy that runs a "run first offense" going to get a MVP award? The Patriots were a run first team until this year.

[Thunder]

I said I don't like fair weather fans.... I don't care if you want to cheer for the pats. I don't like the pats. I don't like Bill Belicheck. I don't know much of Tom Brady other than hes a great (see: not greatest of all time) QB. They are well coached, well organized and execute on their gameplan quite well. This is why they are 13-0.


Brady has 3 Superbowl wins in 6 full seasons(1 season as a back up). How many Superbowls does Favre have? Brady 192 TDs to 83 INTs over his career. I think one thing that can be said with certainty, no matter how many years Tom Brady plays, he will never hold the record for most INTs. :lol::lol::lol:


You know if you'd dig your head out of your behind, you'd realize that in Favres prime he was putting up comparible numbers with less weapons than tom Brady. Favre NEVER had a randy moss. And yet, for 3 straight seasons, he threw for over 35 TDs per season and no more than 16 picks in those given seasons.

Favres Prime

1994 - 33 TD 14 INT
1995 - 38 TD 13 INT
1996 - 39 TD 13 INT
1997 - 35 TD 16 INT


Brady's last few years.

2004 - 28 TD 14 INT
2005 - 26 TD 14 INT
2006 - 24 TD 12 INT
2007 - 45 TD 5 INT

Favres best year, who was his leading WR? Robert Brooks
Brady's best year, who was his leading WR? Randy Moss.

Don't tell me those 2 are even comparable.

Since you missed that post apparently allan... you even responded to it I think.

[Thunder]

How is a guy that runs a "run first offense" going to get a MVP award? The Patriots were a run first team until this year.

The west coast favors the run and short pass game. I don't see your point.

[Neversatisfied]

I said I don't like fair weather fans.... I don't care if you want to cheer for the pats. I don't like the pats. I don't like Bill Belicheck. I don't know much of Tom Brady other than hes a great (see: not greatest of all time) QB. They are well coached, well organized and execute on their gameplan quite well. This is why they are 13-0.


Brady has 3 Superbowl wins in 6 full seasons(1 season as a back up). How many Superbowls does Favre have? Brady 192 TDs to 83 INTs over his career. I think one thing that can be said with certainty, no matter how many years Tom Brady plays, he will never hold the record for most INTs. :lol::lol::lol:


You know if you'd dig your head out of your behind, you'd realize that in Favres prime he was putting up comparible numbers with less weapons than tom Brady. Favre NEVER had a randy moss. And yet, for 3 straight seasons, he threw for over 35 TDs per season and no more than 16 picks in those given seasons.

Favres Prime

1994 - 33 TD 14 INT
1995 - 38 TD 13 INT
1996 - 39 TD 13 INT
1997 - 35 TD 16 INT


Brady's last few years.

2004 - 28 TD 14 INT
2005 - 26 TD 14 INT
2006 - 24 TD 12 INT
2007 - 45 TD 5 INT

Favres best year, who was his leading WR? Robert Brooks
Brady's best year, who was his leading WR? Randy Moss.

Don't tell me those 2 are even comparable.

Since you missed that post apparently allan... you even responded to it I think.

Brady
2004: 474 attempts to 28 TDs = 1TD/16.9att. 44 team TDs. 64% pass/run
2005: 530 attempts to 26 TDs = 1TD/20.4att. 44 team TDs. 59% pass/run
2006: 516 attempts to 24 TDs = 1TD/21.5att. 45 team TDs. 53% pass/run
2007: 476 attempts to 45 TDs = 1TD/10.6att. 58 team TDs. 77% pass/run

Favre
1994: 582 attempts to 33 TDs = 1TD/17.6att. 44 team TDs. 75% pass/run
1995: 570 attempts to 38 TDs = 1TD/15.0att. 48 team TDs. 79% pass/run
1996: 543 attempts to 39 TDs = 1TD/13.9att. 48 team TDs. 81% pass/run
1997: 513 attempts to 35 TDs = 1TD/14.6att. 42 team TDs. 83% pass/run


Favre in his best 4 years threw more TDs per pass attempt, but I think the stats I am posting prove that the Patriots were more prone to punching the ball in with the run. Either way over the 4 seasons you posted for each(one of which Tom Brady still has 3 games yet to play) the Patriots scored a total of 191 offensive TDs, and the Packers scored a total of 182 TDs. You make what you will of those stats, but they are what they are.

By looking at those stats without names on them, I think its fairly certain to say that the first set of stats are from a run team or at least a balanced team, and the second set are from a pass team. Knowing what we do, which team won the games that mattered? Would you become a pass first team when you could control the clock and still score points? I know the preferred way to play offense at any level is to control the clock, score points, and keep your D off the field. Maybe you have a different philosphy.

[spoonraker]

This is the dumbest thread ever. Being the "best" means different things to everybody. There are SO many things you can compare and so many different ways to compare them, there is no definitive answer as to who is best.

I think we can all agree that Favre is a great player with a long history of success, and that Brady is having an amazing season. Period.

You can't extrapolate this season to reflect Brady's entire future career any more than you can pick and choose certain years from Favre's long career to represent the whole thing.

[Thunder]

I think Pauls post puts it best.

I'm down to just wait and see how Brady's career pans out. Then you can say whos greater than who. Terrell Davis and Barry Sanders looked like they were going to ASSAULT the running records, but both players careers were cut short.

[Thunder]

Brady
2004: 474 attempts to 28 TDs = 1TD/16.9att. 44 team TDs. 64% pass/run
2005: 530 attempts to 26 TDs = 1TD/20.4att. 44 team TDs. 59% pass/run
2006: 516 attempts to 24 TDs = 1TD/21.5att. 45 team TDs. 53% pass/run
2007: 476 attempts to 45 TDs = 1TD/10.6att. 58 team TDs. 77% pass/run

Favre
1994: 582 attempts to 33 TDs = 1TD/17.6att. 44 team TDs. 75% pass/run
1995: 570 attempts to 38 TDs = 1TD/15.0att. 48 team TDs. 79% pass/run
1996: 543 attempts to 39 TDs = 1TD/13.9att. 48 team TDs. 81% pass/run
1997: 513 attempts to 35 TDs = 1TD/14.6att. 42 team TDs. 83% pass/run


Favre in his best 4 years threw more TDs per pass attempt, but I think the stats I am posting prove that the Patriots were more prone to punching the ball in with the run. Either way over the 4 seasons you posted for each(one of which Tom Brady still has 3 games yet to play) the Patriots scored a total of 191 offensive TDs, and the Packers scored a total of 182 TDs. You make what you will of those stats, but they are what they are.

By looking at those stats without names on them, I think its fairly certain to say that the first set of stats are from a run team or at least a balanced team, and the second set are from a pass team. Knowing what we do, which team won the games that mattered? Would you become a pass first team when you could control the clock and still score points? I know the preferred way to play offense at any level is to control the clock, score points, and keep your D off the field. Maybe you have a different philosphy.


How did you get the Run/Pass numbers? What site?

[Cotnerdude]

The only thing is I think Bradys prime has just started.

[Neversatisfied]

Brady
2004: 474 attempts to 28 TDs = 1TD/16.9att. 44 team TDs. 64% pass/run
2005: 530 attempts to 26 TDs = 1TD/20.4att. 44 team TDs. 59% pass/run
2006: 516 attempts to 24 TDs = 1TD/21.5att. 45 team TDs. 53% pass/run
2007: 476 attempts to 45 TDs = 1TD/10.6att. 58 team TDs. 77% pass/run

Favre
1994: 582 attempts to 33 TDs = 1TD/17.6att. 44 team TDs. 75% pass/run
1995: 570 attempts to 38 TDs = 1TD/15.0att. 48 team TDs. 79% pass/run
1996: 543 attempts to 39 TDs = 1TD/13.9att. 48 team TDs. 81% pass/run
1997: 513 attempts to 35 TDs = 1TD/14.6att. 42 team TDs. 83% pass/run


Favre in his best 4 years threw more TDs per pass attempt, but I think the stats I am posting prove that the Patriots were more prone to punching the ball in with the run. Either way over the 4 seasons you posted for each(one of which Tom Brady still has 3 games yet to play) the Patriots scored a total of 191 offensive TDs, and the Packers scored a total of 182 TDs. You make what you will of those stats, but they are what they are.

By looking at those stats without names on them, I think its fairly certain to say that the first set of stats are from a run team or at least a balanced team, and the second set are from a pass team. Knowing what we do, which team won the games that mattered? Would you become a pass first team when you could control the clock and still score points? I know the preferred way to play offense at any level is to control the clock, score points, and keep your D off the field. Maybe you have a different philosphy.


How did you get the Run/Pass numbers? What site?NFL.com

I went through the stats for each year, added them up, divided them out, and thats what I got. It would have been a hell of alot easier if someone else did the work for me, but I can't give anyone else credit unfortunately. :(

When I came back to post it up, I actually had to log back in because I must have timed out. :lol:

[Thunder]

I want to know the playcalling. If someone had those stats, it'd be a better representation of what you're trying to prove. If you have an elite RB who can get a high Yards per carry average, it dilutes the overall pass vs run stat, because he'll put up the numbers that another guy would, but with less carries. So the team could be calling 50/50 pass run, but the stats wouldn't reflect that.

[Thunder]

The only thing is I think Bradys prime has just started.

hes 30.

[Neversatisfied]

I want to know the playcalling. If someone had those stats, it'd be a better representation of what you're trying to prove. If you have an elite RB who can get a high Yards per carry average, it dilutes the overall pass vs run stat, because he'll put up the numbers that another guy would, but with less carries. So the team could be calling 50/50 pass run, but the stats wouldn't reflect that.Corey Dillon was an elite back for quite a few years. He held the record for most rushing yards in a game for a while in fact.

I can't tell you what the play calling was though, because thats stuff I don't think anyone knows. I know the Patriots were a running team before this year though. You should too if you watched any football.

[Cotnerdude]

The only thing is I think Bradys prime has just started.

hes 30.

yeah but he has moss for more time now. That alone will increase his stats

[Thunder]

Corey Dillon was an elite back for quite a few years. He held the record for most rushing yards in a game for a while in fact.

I can't tell you what the play calling was though, because thats stuff I don't think anyone knows. I know the Patriots were a running team before this year though. You should too if you watched any football.

I don't watch the Patriots. Yes they had a good ground game, but that doesn't mean they couldn't still have been a balanced team in terms of playcalling.

[Thunder]

The only thing is I think Bradys prime has just started.

hes 30.

yeah but he has moss for more time now. That alone will increase his stats

I don't see him or Moss repeating this years performance in the future.

[spoonraker]

So we've established that Thunder thinks Brett Favre is the better QB, and Neversatisfied thinks Brady is the better QB, and neither of them are willing to change their opinion.

Can we just call it settled right there?

[Thunder]

Why? This is a good discussion.

[Cotnerdude]

maybe not but I think It would still be a higher than 65% for the pass run, he will have more time to learn with moss and I think have a higher % caught then 04

[Thunder]

I give props to Allan for carrying it as well as he is. Seems like other people can't carry a discussion without sarcasm and snide remarks.

[Cotnerdude]

I dont care College football>*

[Thunder]

maybe not but I think It would still be a higher than 65% for the pass run, he will have more time to learn with moss and I think have a higher % caught then 04

I think thats also going to be a problem for the Patriots. New England in January is not always a friendly place for the passing game. If theres one weakness to New Englands team this year, is their running game is mediocre. 14th in the league averaging 112 yards rushing per game. It seems though its tapered off in recent games.

[Neversatisfied]

I give props to Allan for carrying it as well as he is. Seems like other people can't carry a discussion without sarcasm and snide remarks.Some debate and try and prove points that way, but I do not. I try and give you an honest arguement with good facts to back up my side and have no problem reading what anyone else has to say.

And in the NFL a run first team still only runs about 50% of the time. If you run on 1st down and get stopped for a loss, you are going to throw on 2nd down, and most teams usually only try to get half of whats needed for the 1st, then throw again on 3rd down.

[Neversatisfied]

maybe not but I think It would still be a higher than 65% for the pass run, he will have more time to learn with moss and I think have a higher % caught then 04

I think thats also going to be a problem for the Patriots. New England in January is not always a friendly place for the passing game. If theres one weakness to New Englands team this year, is their running game is mediocre. 14th in the league averaging 112 yards rushing per game. It seems though its tapered off in recent games.Meh, thats not necessarily true. Look at what Roethlisberger did in the mud bowl a couple weeks ago. He completed like 80% of his passes. Its actually easier to pass block in bad conditions. A team with sure handed receivers has no problem passing the ball in the elements.

[ADV1]

I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

[Thunder]

I know you do.

Heres what I found out about New England's running game

Run attempts

2002- 395 ATT (ranked 28th in league)
2003- 473 ATT (ranked 12th in league)
2004- 524 ATT (tied for 5th in league)
2005- 439 ATT (ranked 18th in league)
2006- 499 ATT (ranked 6th in league)
2007(to date)- 365 ATT (ranked 9th in league)

You know what, I don't know where I'm going with this.... lol.

[Thunder]

I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.

[ADV1]

I wish more teams where in the great fridged north! **** playing in 70+ degrees in January... I for one would seriously love to see a Super Bowl in Green Bay!!! that would be Awsome!!!

to anyone who says that you couldn't sell out the stadium I say BS, ITS THE SUPER BOWL!!!! It'll sell out!

[Cotnerdude]

I just think Brady will go for at least one more year of GREAT football. He has just about everything going for him. I love farve and would love to see the packers win the superbowl but they will have to play better football then they have been to do that.

[Thunder]

Lambeau field is the NFL equivalent of T.O. Memorial stadium. They are sold out, every game, 60 degrees and sunny or 5 degrees and snowy. Its like a college team following in the NFL.

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I just think Brady will go for at least one more year of GREAT football. He has just about everything going for him. I love farve and would love to see the packers win the superbowl but they will have to play better football then they have been to do that.

I think everyone would need to, in order to reach the Patriots status. :lol: They are a scary team... they have weaknesses but do a good job of compensating.

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Lambeau field is the NFL equivalent of T.O. Memorial stadium. They are sold out, every game, 60 degrees and sunny or 5 degrees and snowy. Its like a college team following in the NFL.

Thats what I love about Green Bay the most. Wisconsons heart lies within them.

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.



I dunno about the 31-32 thing... seems to me that the great ones all hang out for a while, Farve, Elway, Montana, Marino, Testaverde (Yes, I mentioned him) etc,,,

Some of your 15 minutes of fame type guys are in that range but I feel Brady has a long life ahead of him barring any serious injury

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I dunno about the 31-32 thing... seems to me that the great ones all hang out for a while, Farve, Elway, Montana, Marino, Testaverde (Yes, I mentioned him) etc,,,

Some of your 15 minutes of fame type guys are in that range but I feel Brady has a long life ahead of him barring any serious injury

We'll know when Brady plays for a team that isn't stacked. All of those guys you mentioned, played through hard times at some point in their career. Brady has been on a Super Bowl caliber team since he started playing.

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Good Point...

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So when does it change from "Brady has always been on winning teams" to "Whatever team Brady is on wins"?

:popcorn:

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Hasselbeck>Farve>Brady

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I know you do.

Heres what I found out about New England's running game

Run attempts

2002- 395 ATT (ranked 28th in league)
2003- 473 ATT (ranked 12th in league)
2004- 524 ATT (tied for 5th in league)
2005- 439 ATT (ranked 18th in league)
2006- 499 ATT (ranked 6th in league)
2007(to date)- 365 ATT (ranked 9th in league)

You know what, I don't know where I'm going with this.... lol.I think you might have been trying to prove your point that New England didn't run the ball much, but I think you might have proved the opposite. :lol:

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.I have heard some people say that a QBs prime is from 30-35.

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Hasslebeck>Farve>Brady

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Doh!

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I heard Brett Favre's sleep number was 85

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.I have heard some people say that a QBs prime is from 30-35.

35 seems to be pushing it for ones prime. I figure 27-32. Its all dependant on the player though I guess.

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So when does it change from "Brady has always been on winning teams" to "Whatever team Brady is on wins"?

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Not until after he retires I am afraid. :lol::lol::lol:

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Hasslebeck>Farve>Brady


Hasslebeck was a great preseason player for the Packers :lol:

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.I have heard some people say that a QBs prime is from 30-35.

35 seems to be pushing it for ones prime. I figure 27-32. Its all dependant on the player though I guess.27 years young is the prime for running backs. QBs take much less punishment, and the position of QB simply takes more time to learn. Therefore in my opinion the prime of a QB is later than it is for other positions. It all depends on the player, and what they do to keep themselves in shape/get better though. Obviously if a player doesn't take care of themselves and work at their craft, they won't stay ahead of the curve.

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So when does it change from "Brady has always been on winning teams" to "Whatever team Brady is on wins"?

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Not until after he retires I am afraid. :lol::lol::lol:

Its true for most QBs though. Or at least until late in their careers. I don't think Brady is late enough to call it yet. Hes still got 5-6 more years of playing at least.

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.I have heard some people say that a QBs prime is from 30-35.

35 seems to be pushing it for ones prime. I figure 27-32. Its all dependant on the player though I guess.27 years young is the prime for running backs. QBs take much less punishment, and the position of QB simply takes more time to learn. Therefore in my opinion the prime of a QB is later than it is for other positions. It all depends on the player, and what they do to keep themselves in shape/get better though. Obviously if a player doesn't take care of themselves and work at their craft, they won't stay ahead of the curve.

Agreed, That's why I want Shawn gone... ****er gets hurt too much and is sucking the $$$ from the program for no return...

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.I have heard some people say that a QBs prime is from 30-35.

35 seems to be pushing it for ones prime. I figure 27-32. Its all dependant on the player though I guess.27 years young is the prime for running backs. QBs take much less punishment, and the position of QB simply takes more time to learn. Therefore in my opinion the prime of a QB is later than it is for other positions. It all depends on the player, and what they do to keep themselves in shape/get better though. Obviously if a player doesn't take care of themselves and work at their craft, they won't stay ahead of the curve.

Well I figure most QBs come into the league out of college being 23-24... give them 3-4 years to learn the system... then 5-6 years of good play (if they are worth a damn)... then they start to taper off. Its hard to come across a franchise QB that will play into their mid 30s with success. Brady and Manning, Palmer, Roethlisberger seem like they are set to do as such, but there are many more QBs who aren't.

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The situation with Alexander seems similar to what GB had last year with Ahman Green. He just wasn't putting up the numbers to back up the $$$$ he was getting. Kept getting hurt, missed a lot of games and it hurt the Packers because our RB depth was meager. Thats why I'm so glad that the Packers have Ryan Grant now, hes only 25 years old and seems to have a promising future.

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.I have heard some people say that a QBs prime is from 30-35.

35 seems to be pushing it for ones prime. I figure 27-32. Its all dependant on the player though I guess.27 years young is the prime for running backs. QBs take much less punishment, and the position of QB simply takes more time to learn. Therefore in my opinion the prime of a QB is later than it is for other positions. It all depends on the player, and what they do to keep themselves in shape/get better though. Obviously if a player doesn't take care of themselves and work at their craft, they won't stay ahead of the curve.

Agreed, That's why I want Shawn gone... ****er gets hurt too much and is sucking the $$$ from the program for no return...
Thats pretty much the norm for any running back though. Once they get to the age where they are making the big bucks, they are over the hill. This isn't the rule, but there are few exceptions:
Once a running back hits the age 30, they career is on a quick decline.

It happened to Shaun Alexander. He hit 30, got that broken foot, and hasn't been the same guy as before since.

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I'm sorry Ahmad but you of all people should know that 30 years old doesn't mean ****... How old is Farve again??? If Brady can last as long as Brett then look the frick out!!! and thats comming from a Seahawks fan!

Favres doing great, but past his prime. I'm talking specifically from that standpoint. Most QB Prime end around 31-32... we'll see though. You also have to keep in mind, Favre is built a little different than most QBs. Hes as durable as it gets and still has a cannon for an arm at 38.I have heard some people say that a QBs prime is from 30-35.

35 seems to be pushing it for ones prime. I figure 27-32. Its all dependant on the player though I guess.27 years young is the prime for running backs. QBs take much less punishment, and the position of QB simply takes more time to learn. Therefore in my opinion the prime of a QB is later than it is for other positions. It all depends on the player, and what they do to keep themselves in shape/get better though. Obviously if a player doesn't take care of themselves and work at their craft, they won't stay ahead of the curve.

Well I figure most QBs come into the league out of college being 23-24... give them 3-4 years to learn the system... then 5-6 years of good play (if they are worth a damn)... then they start to taper off. Its hard to come across a franchise QB that will play into their mid 30s with success. Brady and Manning, Palmer, Roethlisberger seem like they are set to do as such, but there are many more QBs who aren't.The 4 QBs you listed are the cream of the crop in the NFL more or less. Look at guys like Jeff Garcia though. Getting older and older, but keep playing at a high level. Elway played some of his best ball in the last years of his career.

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The problem is, who else is like a Jeff Garcia? Hes like the journeyman thats good enough to start for a team, but apparently not good enough to stick with a team. Elway is cream of the crop in terms of QBs who are on legendary status. His first few years were absolutely terrible in denver.

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Well.... not absolutely terrible, but very weak compared to what he eventually achieved. Some years he didn't even look that good. A few years in the middle of his career he threw more picks than TD passes. He did play his best towards the end of his career but also remember thats when Terrell Davis came around and their offensive line was pretty stout. Took a lot of pressure off a QB in his mid-late 30s.

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Well.... not absolutely terrible, but very weak compared to what he eventually achieved. Some years he didn't even look that good. A few years in the middle of his career he threw more picks than TD passes. He did play his best towards the end of his career but also remember thats when Terrell Davis came around and their offensive line was pretty stout. Took a lot of pressure off a QB in his mid-late 30s.Denver's zone blocking scheme would make my grandma look like a pro bowl running back. Another name that didn't have his glory years until later on in his career was Steve Young. Another was Rich Gannon. Another was Kurt Warner. Warren Moon didn't throw for 30+ TDs in a season until his 7th season in the NFL, and he spent 4-5 years in the CFL before he went to the NFL. I could sit here and pick my brain all day and name names.

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Well I'm talking mostly guys who were drafted out of College to be THE guy for a team. Young sat on the bench while Montana played, Gannon was tossed around a bit and played backup to Grbac in KC and Warner probably got pretty lucky. If Trent Green doesn't go down in preseason, does he ever get his chance to play?

I don't know. Thats just 3 more names... I'm not so sure you could pick much more other than maybe Jeff George or Randall Cunningham (both had good runs in their later years)

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i miss college football

Exactly. the NFL is boring.

Martin

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Far from it