“It Is Rather Clear That What The President Ordered Was A Federal Crime”

[Prez]

FINALLY ON THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA.

****ING IMPEACH THESE ASSHOLES AND PRESS CHARGES TO THE FULLEST! STOP BEING PUSSIES!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/28/turley-it-is-rather-clear-that-what-the-president-ordered-was-a-federal-crime/

[Prez]

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

[srt-4_uk]

So the fact that congress had to ok it means nothing? How many people vetoed going into iraq when we first did? Everyone in congress should be held accountable then.

[David]

but dont try to convince prez of anything that opposes his views..... the website he was visting that he gathers "facts" from is obviously very creditable and unbias.





I'm still wondering when the pipeline from Iraq is going to be finished so my gas prices will drop....because thats the real reason we went there... and i wonder if bush will be richer than gates before he retires... i mean he was only there for personal gains... and i'm sure someone who can convince the whole world to go to war and be re-elected after going to war must have the ability to make billions without evne trying.

[Cotnerdude]

Yes but G.W. Really started all this crap and should mainly be held accountable.

[David]

we have checks and balances.... unless he held a gun to some's head and forced them to let him commit these "crimes". Then he really can't be found guilty atleast not alone... pointing the finger at him is easy... you dont' see prez bashing those individuals in congress that he voted for or against and what they have done... thats too much work and he'd along with everyone else just want to focus on Bush. It would take to much effort to correctly blame everyone... Thats why cool sites like www.crooksandliars.com (http://www.crooksandliars.com) and moveon.org....

[Prez]

we have checks and balances.... unless he held a gun to some's head and forced them to let him commit these "crimes". Then he really can't be found guilty atleast not alone... pointing the finger at him is easy... you dont' see prez bashing those individuals in congress that he voted for or against and what they have done... thats too much work and he'd along with everyone else just want to focus on Bush. It would take to much effort to correctly blame everyone... Thats why cool sites like www.crooksandliars.com (http://www.crooksandliars.com) and moveon.org....

You have to start at the top and work your way down.

If your stealing and your boss is stealing. Your boss gets caught. Something tells me you would stop stealing.

Going after those in charge makes more of an impact than trying to go after nobody who means anything. If you make a point by prosecuting those in charge it sends a message to the rest. Besides, all the individuals above did have the ultimate decision to break or not break the law on all the above charges that should be brought forth. No one held a gun saying do this or don't do this. Bush is nothing more than a puppet. You can't flush out those who were in association with him without going after him.

The fact is they did it and now need to be held accountable.

And the VIDEO wasn't from crooksandliars.com... it was straight from MSNBC.. watch it!!!

[srt-4_uk]

Yes but G.W. Really started all this crap and should mainly be held accountable.

Whoever was feeding his information started all this crap. Time to go after the NSA and CIA.

[David]

we have checks and balances.... unless he held a gun to some's head and forced them to let him commit these "crimes". Then he really can't be found guilty atleast not alone... pointing the finger at him is easy... you dont' see prez bashing those individuals in congress that he voted for or against and what they have done... thats too much work and he'd along with everyone else just want to focus on Bush. It would take to much effort to correctly blame everyone... Thats why cool sites like www.crooksandliars.com (http://www.crooksandliars.com) and moveon.org....

You have to start at the top and work your way down.

If your stealing and your boss is stealing. Your boss gets caught. Something tells me you would stop stealing.

Going after those in charge makes more of an impact than trying to go after nobody who means anything. If you make a point by prosecuting those in charge it sends a message to the rest. Besides, all the individuals above did have the ultimate decision to break or not break the law on all the above charges that should be brought forth. No one held a gun saying do this or don't do this. Bush is nothing more than a puppet. You can't flush out those who were in association with him without going after him.

The fact is they did it and now need to be held accountable.

And the VIDEO wasn't from crooksandliars.com... it was straight from MSNBC.. watch it!!!


The president isn't the boss... its' a figure head for one branch. The sen & cong. are not his employees. Horrible example. I look at each individual in congress/senate as not just an adult who is expected to act in a responsible fashion, but someone that everyone trust to do the rigth thing. If the president is doing something wrong... They are responsible to act and hold their position and make as much noise as possible even if it cost them their re-election. Fear of not beign re-elected should not be a worry for an individual in any position that high up in our government.


Ya.. i caught where the clip was from... but the first thing i noticed is you linked me to that site instead of MSNBC... i just wanted to mock that "unbias" site.


I don't doubt that bush has some shady things as president. One of my reasonsings is from a quote in a letter to bishop creighton in the 1800's "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

I could go into all the many reasons why I also support him and believe that once all teh smoke clears and the history books have time to reflect on the results... bush will have a much better imagin than many see him today.

[Prez]

The president isn't the boss... its' a figure head for one branch. The sen & cong. are not his employees. Horrible example. I look at each individual in congress/senate as not just an adult who is expected to act in a responsible fashion, but someone that everyone trust to do the rigth thing. If the president is doing something wrong... They are responsible to act and hold their position and make as much noise as possible even if it cost them their re-election. Fear of not beign re-elected should not be a worry for an individual in any position that high up in our government.

Frankly david, THIS IS EXACTLY IT.

But how do you get the rest of the public to realize this? If we could get people locally to understand the need to vote for those that will represent us the best, that would be a perfect world. But people don't pay attention to the local city and state votes which really decide what happens on a national level. So the only thing we can hope to do is hold those that are "suppose" to the ones accountable for the finial result.

Bush may very well not be the bad guy here. I won't dispute that. But how else do we make a change now when it's obviously to late to go after the "smaller" fish in this messy sea?

[srt-4_uk]

Bush may very well not be the bad guy here. I won't dispute that. But how else do we make a change now when it's obviously to late to go after the "smaller" fish in this messy sea?

So are you saying that even though it may be others fault, we should punish him anyways to make a point?

[David]

Prez i see your point and agree... on the flip side... we are approaching election 2008... attempting to punish him this late in the game is like trying to slap bill for hangin his **** out at the end of his presidence.

American's love to hate the president... all presidents recieved tons of hate.... popularity always starts high and only goes down for the most part... bush hit some really high pop. after 9/11... how can you not support him then?? well here we are 07 years laters and he's setting records for pop. i expect the same thing for the next prez. it's just a trend if you look back at all of the last handful. Kennedy was no angel but if you get shot in office you get much love.


You can't get people to care about all the issues.. there are just to many... there are to many people... from police chief all teh way up to president of the united states there are a whole lot of elections for people to care about... thats why mainstream media is imporant. Atleast in my book. I think educated people can watch mainstream media and make an educated decision even when it's bias and unfair.. I love bill O... but damn it i can tell when and where the spin starts with that guy..Taking the time to find sites like your link and trying to fish through that is to much work for 98% of americans. now i'm offtopic...


Like i said... i dont' doubt bush has done some shady ****, but i believe he had the best intentions. i guess the fairness factor in me says it's not fair to slap bush's hand if you dont' slap the hand of everyone else involved.... which can never be done because there are to many people involved and they all have to much money/power and influcene.. it would be a blood bath with no winners.

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[David]

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