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93StockZ
29th April 2010, 09:29 PM
Figured I'd start one of these since I'm finally getting a few things done to it (nothing major yet). I bought the car in late April of 2009. The car was 100% completely stock with just under 70k miles.

Since I've had the car I've purchased a few different mufflers that I've gone through (the ****** muffler took a ****, bought it used). Also bought a manual cutout to go with the Magnaflow muffler that I disliked. Basically I started stockpiling some things for the car and I am finally getting around to getting the stuff put on.

My LPP long tubes and y pipe were put on the car this week and I'm hoping to have my GMMG exhaust and electric cutout installed. Should sound decent I hope. I also have a set of 4:10s waiting to be put in the rear end. After the gears are installed I may focus a little on the cosmetic side of the car. I just bought some stainless Camaro inserts for the back. I think it will look good, if not I'll pull them off.

In the somewhat "near future" I'd like to have decent set of heads, cam, and intake. I'm still unsure of what route I want to go though. Like I've said before, it will not be a strip car.

Current mods on/or awaiting to be put on the car
-LPP LTs & Y pipe (headers are thermo-coated)
-Hurst billet short throw shifter
-Motive 4:10 gears w/ ratex install kit
-Nitto DRs
-Founders Performance LCA's and relocation brackets
-Moroso CAI
-LE custom grind cam 228/236 .5776-.571 110lsa
-Patriot gold extreme springs
-Comp rockers (1618-16)
-Comp rocker studs (4502-16)
-LS7 lifters
-TF pushrods and guide plates
-Pro gear timing chain and gear set
-BMR lowering springs
-BMR double adj panhard bar
-UMI torque arm
-Comp. Eng. 3way adj drag shocks
-SLP linelock

Appearance mods
-Duteau badge delete lol
-Berger panel (satin black)
-Stainless "Camaro" inserts
-Stainless LTx badge (red X)
-OEM LT1 SS spoiler

ls12svt
29th April 2010, 09:37 PM
In before everyone tells you to start by putting an LS-1 in it! I personally like the LT-1, actually one of the fastest street cars i've ever rode in was a 383 LT-1 vette...****er screamed! M6 or A4?

93StockZ
29th April 2010, 09:40 PM
T56

ls12svt
29th April 2010, 09:48 PM
Nice! Not sure if MGW make's a shifter for the F-body but i would think so, they make em for vettes and they rock in the cobra t-56...I would invest in one and the skip shift eliminator?

found it

http://www.mgwltd.com/camaro_short_throw_shifter.shtml

93StockZ
29th April 2010, 09:51 PM
Nice! Not sure if MGW make's a shifter for the F-body but i would think so, they make em for vettes and they rock in the cobra t-56...I would invest in one and the skip shift eliminator?

No need for the skip shift eliminator and I think I might go with the Hurst short throw shifter. I don't think I've ever heard of MGW?
edit: sounds nice but is pricey. Not too much more than what I was gonna go with tho

ls12svt
29th April 2010, 09:54 PM
They make quality ****! they are all the rage in the cobra world...Lots of people trade their pro.50, steeda, everything for them. i gave you a link in the post above, worth checking out. I was reading up on LS1tech and seems like it has a decent review...i don't think it has been out for the f-body very long? I have one in my cobra and it was worth every penny.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46039

93StockZ
29th April 2010, 10:11 PM
nice. thanks for the heads up!

ls12svt
29th April 2010, 10:13 PM
I can't believe i forgot to mension this, i have a buddy that buy's modded LT-1's and turns them back to stock and sells all the aftermarket parts. That is his only job and he is a LT-l guru so lemme know if there is ever anything you need cuz he may have it if not he can get it!

PS sorry for flaming your work log, you just kinda made me miss my LT-1!

93StockZ
29th April 2010, 10:17 PM
You has pm

Lt4TransAm
29th April 2010, 10:20 PM
I can't believe i forgot to mension this, i have a buddy that buy's modded LT-1's and turns them back to stock and sells all the aftermarket parts. That is his only job and he is a LT-l guru so lemme know if there is ever anything you need cuz he may have it if not he can get it!

PS sorry for flaming your work log, you just kinda made me miss my LT-1!

DAN?

ls12svt
29th April 2010, 10:29 PM
I can't believe i forgot to mension this, i have a buddy that buy's modded LT-1's and turns them back to stock and sells all the aftermarket parts. That is his only job and he is a LT-l guru so lemme know if there is ever anything you need cuz he may have it if not he can get it!

PS sorry for flaming your work log, you just kinda made me miss my LT-1!

DAN?

LOL i take it you know him?

Lt4TransAm
29th April 2010, 10:29 PM
Yea

ls12svt
29th April 2010, 10:30 PM
Yea

Small world! I went to high school with him.

93StockZ
29th April 2010, 10:39 PM
A quick little update! Just purchased a Moroso CAI w/ a trick flow elbow:woot:

Not a big purchase I know, but who doesn't like new parts

Lt4TransAm
29th April 2010, 10:44 PM
I hope you didnt buy the elbow from dan.

93StockZ
29th April 2010, 10:46 PM
I got it from a guy on ls1tech. This guy is from Illinois

Lt4TransAm
29th April 2010, 10:49 PM
Ok good. The one dan has is 1'' short. Moroso's are good intakes

CamaroKITT
29th April 2010, 11:00 PM
now i want trade my gsr for lt1 camaro and **** ls1

edit: srry for whoring your thread.... can i have a ride in your camaro????

cole
29th April 2010, 11:18 PM
lol at everyone calling it an LT-1

andrew69_04
2nd May 2010, 09:04 AM
ELTEE-WON

93StockZ
4th May 2010, 04:06 PM
Got the GMMG and electric cutout on the car. I have to run the wire for the cutout still and see if I can't adjust the exhaust a tad. It is vibrating against either the floor pan or the back shield on the tank, I haven't looked yet. It sounds pretty decent with the exhaust finally on there. I need to order some different tips tho because the previous owner grinded the top of the tips down for some reason but it looks ok for now. Ill post some pics up when I take some.

350-10
4th May 2010, 04:08 PM
I want to hear lt1 sex.

Slikrider
4th May 2010, 04:37 PM
I want to hear lt1 sex.

93StockZ
4th May 2010, 04:49 PM
I want to hear lt1 sex.

I may have the car out later tonight. We'll see, If you guys are out and about lmk.

93StockZ
5th May 2010, 09:04 AM
My car has a date w/ John at Pro-Tint today. Should make the car look quite a bit better imo. Im thinking of going with 15%...any other recommendations?

andrew69_04
5th May 2010, 09:26 AM
15 is a good choice for an F-body. i wouldnt go any darker

96speedZ28
5th May 2010, 09:36 AM
5%. That front window let's in a ton of light anyways

Z28
5th May 2010, 10:00 AM
If I were to redo mine, 15% would be a good choice. Maybe 20% on the sides...

Jeffo
5th May 2010, 11:14 AM
go 5 or go home.

93StockZ
5th May 2010, 12:35 PM
I almost went 8% but settled on 15% when I got there. Should be done later this afternoon. Ill try and get some quick pics. Also, hoping my inserts and CAI come in the mail today as well

Z28
5th May 2010, 01:56 PM
how much for tint?

93StockZ
5th May 2010, 02:34 PM
Haven't picked up the car yet but it'll be a little over $205 I think

93StockZ
5th May 2010, 06:56 PM
Got the inserts and CAI today...that's a positive I suppose

GC8U
6th May 2010, 12:54 AM
Where'd you have the tint done?

KyleJ
6th May 2010, 12:55 AM
Pro-Tint. I would recommend them highly!

93StockZ
8th May 2010, 09:11 PM
I got the Moroso CAI put on the car today. Also, fixed the rattling of the exhaust. Still have to wire the cutout and stuff but I'm not in a big hurry for that. My main concern is getting the car painted now.
Im waiting on my "Berger" panel to be painted by 350-10. It'll be satin black w/ the stainless camaro inserts. Idk if Ill like it or not but Ill give it a shot.

93StockZ
8th May 2010, 09:14 PM
And I forgot to mention, I took the front plate bracket off of the car as well. Looks much better but it needs cleaned up and the holes need to be filled in too. Id really like to have the front grill repainted but I have 0 experience doing that kind of stuff.

Slikrider
8th May 2010, 10:17 PM
I wish i had as much money as you laying around...there are SOOOOOO many things i want to do but can't afford. Even the cutout i just bought is going to set me back :)

93StockZ
8th May 2010, 10:41 PM
Send it back. I gotta used manual one for 20 bucks u can have. I mean u give me 20

Slikrider
9th May 2010, 10:58 AM
**** for real? I will have to do that. I think i paid 50 with shipping, is it stainless?

93StockZ
9th May 2010, 12:43 PM
Its not stainless but it was on the car for less than a year. Its still in pretty good shape

350-10
10th May 2010, 01:12 AM
Got Tyler's berger panel done today.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m213/jnewt08/DSCN1201.jpg

Z28
10th May 2010, 07:48 AM
Looks decent.

93StockZ
10th May 2010, 09:38 AM
I think so. Nice work 350-10:bow:

93StockZ
10th May 2010, 06:42 PM
Hopefully Ill have all the details worked out w/ Pro Tint tomorrow and I can drop my car off for paint on Wednesday after work :ohnoes:

93StockZ
10th May 2010, 09:45 PM
Probably going with what I originally wanted for the car sometime this summer...flame away
http://www.oewheelsllc.com/Wheels-for-Camaro/By-Finish/Silver/17-Fits-Camaro-ZR1-Replica-p6901717-3-1.html

spoonraker
10th May 2010, 10:43 PM
I've never liked ZR1s. I don't think they look bad for a factory wheel, but I don't know why anyone would actually spend money on them if they didn't come on their car. They are boring.

KyleJ
10th May 2010, 10:51 PM
I think they look great. They are a simple 5 spoke design, and way better than stock Lt1 wheels.

96speedZ28
10th May 2010, 10:54 PM
lame

93StockZ
10th May 2010, 10:56 PM
I think they look great. They are a simple 5 spoke design, and way better than stock Lt1 wheels.

^^^and I think they'd look good w the color of my car. I wish I wouldve bought them when I first wanted them but oh well. I like that they are a very clean, simple wheel

spoonraker
10th May 2010, 11:30 PM
I don't think they're ugly, I just don't think they are anything special. Sure it's an upgrade over stock LT1 wheels, but that doesn't really say much. They look better, but they still look like factory wheels i.e. boring.

KyleJ
10th May 2010, 11:44 PM
90% of the wheels I like are clean understated wheels.

HINZ28
11th May 2010, 12:06 AM
100% of the wheels I like are clean understated wheels.

Those wheels only look good on one car and it should stay that way, get something more original.........ik coming from a guy with TT2's on a camaro:eek:

spoonraker
11th May 2010, 12:20 AM
You can have clean without having understated. That's exactly why I don't like ZR1s. They don't look bad, but they don't really do anything positive either. They just kind of blend in.

01SOMZ28
11th May 2010, 12:43 AM
Probably going with what I originally wanted for the car sometime this summer...flame away
http://www.oewheelsllc.com/Wheels-for-Camaro/By-Finish/Silver/17-Fits-Camaro-ZR1-Replica-p6901717-3-1.html

I'll sell you mine. I'm getting a new setup :)

93StockZ
11th May 2010, 05:47 AM
price plz

93StockZ
25th May 2010, 09:21 PM
Just ordered this. Should be here later this week or first thing next week. Hope I like it
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HUU-3915032/

Also, hoping to get some LCA's and SLP line lock from LT4TransAm if nobody else buys them.

cole
25th May 2010, 09:54 PM
the LCAs are mine :)

93StockZ
25th May 2010, 09:58 PM
damn you! :pissed:

andrew69_04
26th May 2010, 08:04 AM
i have a nice set of LCA's if your interested. i'll let them go for $65

93StockZ
26th May 2010, 10:05 PM
Finally ordered this tonight-
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAT-3001K/

Thanks for the recommendation Cole

01SOMZ28
26th May 2010, 10:17 PM
Finally ordered this tonight-
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAT-3001K/

Thanks for the recommendation Cole

I just had a Ratex install kit NIB but i sold it a few weeks ago, should've said something!

93StockZ
26th May 2010, 10:18 PM
Wish you wouldve put it up fs on here lol

01SOMZ28
26th May 2010, 10:19 PM
i did

93StockZ
26th May 2010, 10:20 PM
well ****. my bad

01SOMZ28
26th May 2010, 10:25 PM
Get these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-2002-Chevrolet-Camaro-Firebird-Lower-Control-Arms-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbef5adbQQitemZ11052 7208155QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

and these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camaro-F-Body-Lower-Control-Arms-Relocation-Brackets-/120572240758?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c12aa6376

a lot of guys on ls1tech are starting to use Founders Performance. I have their relocation brackets and they fit like a glove and are really nice, and you can't beat their prices!!

93StockZ
26th May 2010, 10:49 PM
Get these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-2002-Chevrolet-Camaro-Firebird-Lower-Control-Arms-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbef5adbQQitemZ11052 7208155QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

and these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camaro-F-Body-Lower-Control-Arms-Relocation-Brackets-/120572240758?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c12aa6376

a lot of guys on ls1tech are starting to use Founders Performance. I have their relocation brackets and they fit like a glove and are really nice, and you can't beat their prices!!

Welp, just bought some LCAs and relocation brackets:lol:

01SOMZ28
27th May 2010, 01:35 AM
Get these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-2002-Chevrolet-Camaro-Firebird-Lower-Control-Arms-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbef5adbQQitemZ11052 7208155QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

and these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camaro-F-Body-Lower-Control-Arms-Relocation-Brackets-/120572240758?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c12aa6376

a lot of guys on ls1tech are starting to use Founders Performance. I have their relocation brackets and they fit like a glove and are really nice, and you can't beat their prices!!

Welp, just bought some LCAs and relocation brackets:lol:

:Thumb: you'll be happy with the results. If you want help installing that ****, let me know.

Z28
27th May 2010, 01:59 AM
Decent price.

cole
27th May 2010, 01:20 PM
i'd say

cole
27th May 2010, 01:21 PM
Finally ordered this tonight-
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAT-3001K/

Thanks for the recommendation Cole

glad to help...i see you went with the top one, i'll probably do the $80 one

93StockZ
27th May 2010, 07:28 PM
Finally ordered this tonight-
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAT-3001K/

Thanks for the recommendation Cole

glad to help...i see you went with the top one, i'll probably do the $80 one

Yea, I figured what the hell, might as well. The car is getting to be pretty old

93StockZ
28th May 2010, 07:09 PM
got my Hurst shifter today...summit sent the wrong one so I gotta send the T5 shifter back and wait until they send me the correct one.

93StockZ
29th May 2010, 12:35 PM
Got the installation kit in the mail today for the gears. Cant wait to get them put in. Should help the car quite a bit

cole
29th May 2010, 12:42 PM
who are you having do them again and how much?

i plan on ordering my install kit sometime next week (since with memorial day it wont ship until probably tuesday) and will be looking to get them in asap

93StockZ
29th May 2010, 12:44 PM
who are you having do them again and how much?

i plan on ordering my install kit sometime next week (since with memorial day it wont ship until probably tuesday) and will be looking to get them in asap

Im having a guy out in eagle do the rear end. Its like $150 but Idk about getting your car in asap. He's usually pretty damn busy. You'd just have to call. Name is Halverson

cole
29th May 2010, 12:46 PM
well ya i figured i wouldn't get right away, but you should ask him

93StockZ
29th May 2010, 12:47 PM
Ill try and talk to him friday about both of our cars and Ill let you know

cole
29th May 2010, 12:48 PM
you da man

Slikrider
29th May 2010, 12:56 PM
Is your job hiring? :D

93StockZ
29th May 2010, 01:32 PM
Is your job hiring? :D

Ha. No. You don't want my job. It pays shitty, just work O.T that's what I have to do every week.

93StockZ
2nd June 2010, 08:27 PM
Im gonna go to Dynosport on Friday morning for shits and giggles just to see what I gained from the headers and CAI. Oh and newer plugs and wires. Bone stock it put down 257rwhp and 305tq with a slight miss because of the old plugs and wires.
Im hoping I see close to 270-280ish rwhp if not more. I havent seen any #s from LPP headers on lt1s so we'll see

96speedZ28
2nd June 2010, 09:13 PM
I bet u put down more than that.

93StockZ
2nd June 2010, 09:39 PM
I bet u put down more than that.

Im hoping. I just don't wanna get my hopes up and be disappointed :lol:
I think Im more interested to see my tq #s tho for somereason.

JesterMX6
2nd June 2010, 09:52 PM
because torque is what moves you.

** HP!!!!!!!!!!

93StockZ
2nd June 2010, 11:01 PM
Ha, yea. Im goin in Friday morning at 10. Ill post up what it puts down. Id love to break 300rwhp by the end of next year...man thats sad to say

JesterMX6
3rd June 2010, 12:41 AM
i'm hoping to break 250hp. **** happens :lol:

93StockZ
3rd June 2010, 09:47 PM
Got my LCAs and relocation brackets in the mail today:Thumb:

cole
3rd June 2010, 09:52 PM
nice, i ordered some of the brackets last night

01SOMZ28
3rd June 2010, 11:41 PM
Got my LCAs and relocation brackets in the mail today:Thumb:

When will you be installing these?

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 12:00 AM
Not too sure yet. I'm off all weekend but we will see if it gets done or not

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 02:13 AM
Not too sure yet. I'm off all weekend but we will see if it gets done or not

You might want to think about putting new shocks in the rear while you're putting the brackets on. The brackets use the shock mount on the rear end as an anchor to hold themselves and the rear end in place. So you're basically taking the shock off durring the process. Might as well kill two birds with one stone and put new shocks on while you're at it. I got the cheapest ones AutoZone had, Gabriel shocks $16.99 each and they're actually very decent!

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 06:26 AM
Cool. Thanks for the heads up man

Z28
4th June 2010, 08:16 AM
:lol:

Forgot to mention how you have to tear out the carpet to get to the top.

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 12:11 PM
:lol:

Forgot to mention how you have to tear out the carpet to get to the top.

You don't have to tear out the carpet. There are access spots in the carpet right where the bolts are for the shocks, they just flip up. It's simple.

Z28
4th June 2010, 12:44 PM
pics?

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 12:54 PM
pics?

Sure i'll get some pics, be back in a bit.

Hillbilly
4th June 2010, 12:54 PM
Not too sure yet. I'm off all weekend but we will see if it gets done or not

You might want to think about putting new shocks in the rear while you're putting the brackets on. The brackets use the shock mount on the rear end as an anchor to hold themselves and the rear end in place. So you're basically taking the shock off durring the process. Might as well kill two birds with one stone and put new shocks on while you're at it. I got the cheapest ones AutoZone had, Gabriel shocks $16.99 each and they're actually very decent!

R they double adjustable

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 01:05 PM
Not too sure yet. I'm off all weekend but we will see if it gets done or not

You might want to think about putting new shocks in the rear while you're putting the brackets on. The brackets use the shock mount on the rear end as an anchor to hold themselves and the rear end in place. So you're basically taking the shock off durring the process. Might as well kill two birds with one stone and put new shocks on while you're at it. I got the cheapest ones AutoZone had, Gabriel shocks $16.99 each and they're actually very decent!

R they double adjustable

:lol: are you serious? $16.99 shocks from AutoZone being double adjustable? I wish

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 01:05 PM
Went to dans today and picked up almost 40hp and 20tq. New #s are 295.1rwhp and 324.7tq. Not too terrible for just headers and CAI I guess. That was thru an open y pipe which dan said is possible it couldve hurt the #s a bit but just depends on some cars

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 01:09 PM
Went to dans today and picked up almost 40hp and 20tq. New #s are 295.1rwhp and 324.7tq. Not too terrible for just headers and CAI I guess. That was thru an open y pipe which dan said is possible it couldve hurt the #s a bit but just depends on some cars

Nice! I don't see why the open Y pipe would hurt the numbers. I had that spiralflow on my car when i dyno'd a couple months ago. Took the spiralflow off and dyno'd with an open Y pipe. Picked up 10hp 11tq.

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 01:13 PM
Yea idk. He said more than likely it wouldn't but it just depends

Debo
4th June 2010, 01:28 PM
:woot: very nice man!

Cobra Commander
4th June 2010, 01:39 PM
Went to dans today and picked up almost 40hp and 20tq. New #s are 295.1rwhp and 324.7tq. Not too terrible for just headers and CAI I guess. That was thru an open y pipe which dan said is possible it couldve hurt the #s a bit but just depends on some cars

Damn. That's a strong LT1.

What do you mean by picking up 40whp? What did you change from the last time?

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 01:55 PM
Went to dans today and picked up almost 40hp and 20tq. New #s are 295.1rwhp and 324.7tq. Not too terrible for just headers and CAI I guess. That was thru an open y pipe which dan said is possible it couldve hurt the #s a bit but just depends on some cars

Damn. That's a strong LT1.

What do you mean by picking up 40whp? What did you change from the last time?

The first time I dyno'd it was completely stock. This time I dyno'd was with LPP lts and y, Moroso CAI, and newer plugs and wires.

Debo
4th June 2010, 01:56 PM
Went to dans today and picked up almost 40hp and 20tq. New #s are 295.1rwhp and 324.7tq. Not too terrible for just headers and CAI I guess. That was thru an open y pipe which dan said is possible it couldve hurt the #s a bit but just depends on some cars

Damn. That's a strong LT1.

What do you mean by picking up 40whp? What did you change from the last time?

Cobra Commander
4th June 2010, 02:03 PM
Went to dans today and picked up almost 40hp and 20tq. New #s are 295.1rwhp and 324.7tq. Not too terrible for just headers and CAI I guess. That was thru an open y pipe which dan said is possible it couldve hurt the #s a bit but just depends on some cars

Damn. That's a strong LT1.

What do you mean by picking up 40whp? What did you change from the last time?

He could have been down 40hp from a dirty MAF for all I knew. That is why I was curious. :love:

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 02:05 PM
pics?

Sure i'll get some pics, be back in a bit.

here is the access hole for the upper shock bolts

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/zportwood/DSC02941.jpg

and this is how the brackets anchor themselves to shock mount as i tried explaining before.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/zportwood/DSC02944.jpg
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/zportwood/DSC02945.jpg

CamaroKITT
4th June 2010, 02:34 PM
man can i drive your lt1 camaro????? i want to feel that beast alive.

Cobra Commander
4th June 2010, 02:36 PM
i want to feel that beast alive.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/Brook32v/Internet%20Stuff/he-man.gif

JesterMX6
4th June 2010, 03:12 PM
nice numbers! congrats

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 03:35 PM
man can i drive your lt1 camaro????? i want to feel that beast alive.

No way in hell are you driving my car...and Im pretty sure I have the slowest LT1 on the site:lol:

96speedZ28
4th June 2010, 03:38 PM
Did u have it tuned?

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 03:40 PM
Did u have it tuned?

No sir. No point until I have any other stuff done like cam, etc

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 03:45 PM
did you see the pictures above?

96speedZ28
4th June 2010, 03:47 PM
Nice, those are pretty good numbers I'd say. More than mine put down but then again I didn't have a CAI.

roo
4th June 2010, 03:48 PM
man can i drive your lt1 camaro????? i want to feel that beast alive.

I don't get it. If you're so hard up to have a Camaro then why didn't you buy one after you sold yours?

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 03:49 PM
Yea I did. That should make the process a lot easier now because I wasnt 100% sure on how to go about it. Thanks for posting them.

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 03:52 PM
Nice, those are pretty good numbers I'd say. More than mine put down but then again I didn't have a CAI.

Thanks. Yea it was more than I was expecting to be honest. Arent 96-97s rated higher from the factory too. I think mine was like 275hp from the factory. 96-97 came with 285 or something. I dont remember for sure.

96speedZ28
4th June 2010, 03:57 PM
Nice, those are pretty good numbers I'd say. More than mine put down but then again I didn't have a CAI.

Thanks. Yea it was more than I was expecting to be honest. Arent 96-97s rated higher from the factory too. I think mine was like 275hp from the factory. 96-97 came with 285 or something. I dont remember for sure.

Yeah that's correct

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 04:46 PM
The 4:10s I originally bought used for $40 a year ago has a very small chip at the very end of the tooth so I just ordered new Motive 4:10s. That is all.
If any of you know someone that wants a nice set of 4:10s or wants to look at them lmk or make an offer. I think they'd be fine but I just wanted new ones to be 100% safe.

ls12svt
4th June 2010, 05:23 PM
01SOM are you sure those are cut from the factory? I'm pretty sure it was a previous owner that cut the carpet because i don't remember seeing those on mine, but i could be wrong its been awhile.

Pelan
4th June 2010, 05:35 PM
01SOM are you sure those are cut from the factory? I'm pretty sure it was a previous owner that cut the carpet because i don't remember seeing those on mine, but i could be wrong its been awhile.

Your correct they are not cut from the factory. Atleast mine werent.

cole
4th June 2010, 06:23 PM
zach, are those the founders performance brackets?

cole
4th June 2010, 06:26 PM
The 4:10s I originally bought used for $40 a year ago has a very small chip at the very end of the tooth so I just ordered new Motive 4:10s. That is all.
If any of you know someone that wants a nice set of 4:10s or wants to look at them lmk or make an offer. I think they'd be fine but I just wanted new ones to be 100% safe.

when were you getting your gears done? mind if i jump ahead of you in line? :)

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 06:38 PM
01SOM are you sure those are cut from the factory? I'm pretty sure it was a previous owner that cut the carpet because i don't remember seeing those on mine, but i could be wrong its been awhile.

They got to be factory i'd think. Somebody had to have been a damn good guesser to get each one cut so perfect above each shock mount. If you see them in person they look factory. Plus, the car had the factory shocks on it before i replaced them so why would somebody cut those access holes for shits and giggles?

They weren't cut ALL the way through to begin with. It was like a templet showing where the shock mount is and all i had to do was punch the seams with a screw driver and it opened right up. Kind of like the seam on a box of macaroni, you punch your thumb through that templet part on the side then peal back the top.

zach, are those the founders performance brackets?

Yea they're the Founders Performance brackets. Don't mind the chopped up backside of the brackets :lol: I welded them on but right before i welded them the bracket moved and i didn't know it....so i had to cut the welds.

cole
4th June 2010, 06:40 PM
so do they require welding?

01SOMZ28
4th June 2010, 06:43 PM
so do they require welding?

No, i had a wild hair up my ass and thought i'd weld them as well. But there really is no need.

cole
4th June 2010, 06:44 PM
gotcha...mine should be here wednesday, now i just need some arms to go with them

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 06:58 PM
My gears will be done this week. But go ahead if ud like

cole
4th June 2010, 07:04 PM
i mean ahead of you with your guy :lol:

93StockZ
4th June 2010, 07:10 PM
Ik. If he can get u in sooner than that's fine haha. Idc man

cole
4th June 2010, 07:13 PM
i wont have any monies til thursday

CamaroKITT
5th June 2010, 12:49 AM
man can i drive your lt1 camaro????? i want to feel that beast alive.

I don't get it. If you're so hard up to have a Camaro then why didn't you buy one after you sold yours?

i only had 4200 cash, and 4th gen camaro is like 5+grand so.... oh well. i will get 4th gen camaro some time

CamaroKITT
5th June 2010, 12:50 AM
at least can i ride in your lt1 camaro :cry:

Debo
5th June 2010, 01:03 AM
tyler i think i saw you tonight...were you at mam? standing up by the fence?

93StockZ
5th June 2010, 01:06 AM
Yea I was there. Thought that was you taking pics but wasnt sure

Debo
5th June 2010, 01:17 AM
**** my bad lol...but yeah i thought that was you too haha. you comin up tomorrow if the rain holds off?

93StockZ
5th June 2010, 01:19 AM
No. Id like to, sounds like itll be fun but a bunch of friends are celebrating our friends engagement.

Z28
8th June 2010, 09:49 AM
pics?

Sure i'll get some pics, be back in a bit.

here is the access hole for the upper shock bolts

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/zportwood/DSC02941.jpg

and this is how the brackets anchor themselves to shock mount as i tried explaining before.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/zportwood/DSC02944.jpg
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/zportwood/DSC02945.jpg

Yea, that's been cut.

93StockZ
9th June 2010, 06:25 PM
My Motive 4:10s came in the mail today. Hope to have the gears, LCA's, and relocation brackets installed later this week or early next week.
Im still waiting for my Hurst short throw since Summit sent me one for a T5 rather than the T56. I also bought a badge for my new Berger panel. LTX badge with the red "x"

http://emblempros.com/inc/sdetail/1386

Not sure if Ill order a bow tie for the panel or not. Leaning towards no.

01SOMZ28
10th June 2010, 04:22 PM
[QUOTE=Z28;798987]pics?

Sure i'll get some pics, be back in a bit.

here is the access hole for the upper shock bolts

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/zportwood/DSC02941.jpg

Yea, that's been cut.

Uhh no its factory...

93StockZ
10th June 2010, 05:59 PM
just emailed BBB the before, after, and after part two pics of the car. He wants them so he can look at them. John said he had pics so Im really interested to see if he really does and how his pics turned out compared to those that 350-10 and millertime took.

93StockZ
11th June 2010, 06:50 PM
My Hurst billet short throw shifter came in the mail today. Only took two weeks for Summit to send me the right one.

Z28
13th June 2010, 08:42 AM
I don't think that's factory.

93StockZ
17th June 2010, 10:26 PM
Got the Hurst billet plus shifter installed today. Haven't been able to drive with it yet tho.

01SOMZ28
20th June 2010, 02:43 PM
got the lca's/brackets put on yet?

93StockZ
20th June 2010, 04:32 PM
Nope
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93StockZ
10th July 2010, 05:48 PM
I don't think that's factory.

everyone went through the trouble of looking at this except for me haha. mine is not cut, but it is perforated on both sides so that should make it pretty easy.

93StockZ
10th July 2010, 05:50 PM
Finally put my Berger panel on today with 72Nova. Was pretty simple and straight forward (Ive never done it before) I think it looks pretty good. Sometime Ill be switching the stainless inserts for just some silver ones I think. It doesnt look too great in the direct sunlight but it will prly look better in the dark Im sure.
Hoping for atleast an extra 15rwhp from this mod:Thumb:

93StockZ
8th August 2010, 08:56 PM
Forgot to update this last weekend. Nothing major just installed the lcas and brackets along with new rear shocks. Havent really noticed a difference yet but I am a complete noob when it comes to launching. Its different every damn time.

93StockZ
7th September 2010, 06:14 PM
Got these in the mail today. Im sure everyone is gonna "hate" so flame away, Idc. Ill be happy for a few years now. Ive wanted these since they came out and now that everyone has them, so do I lol. Here are the couple quick pics I took. I should have them mounted and on the car Friday I hope.

JesterMX6
8th September 2010, 12:24 AM
look better than the TT2s

yeah i said it :lol:

KyleJ
8th September 2010, 12:26 AM
Should look great mounted up.

01SOMZ28
8th September 2010, 09:15 AM
Looks like you spent more money then what i offered mine to you for... :confused:

But they should look good mounted up.

93StockZ
8th September 2010, 09:21 AM
Actually not. Wheels n fronts for under 700

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01SOMZ28
8th September 2010, 09:44 AM
and tires for under $700?

93StockZ
8th September 2010, 09:50 AM
Fronts yes
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01SOMZ28
8th September 2010, 09:52 AM
I would've sold you everything for $900....

But oh well, they should look really good with the color of you car :Thumb:

93StockZ
8th September 2010, 09:56 AM
Yea. Oh well. For just a little more I got brand new NT05Rs so hopefully they're better than the 555R
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93M6Formula
8th September 2010, 09:59 AM
They make quality ****! they are all the rage in the cobra world...Lots of people trade their pro.50, steeda, everything for them. i gave you a link in the post above, worth checking out. I was reading up on LS1tech and seems like it has a decent review...i don't think it has been out for the f-body very long? I have one in my cobra and it was worth every penny.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46039

I second that shifter!, My buddy has that in his Cobra and that thing works awesome! i would also recomend it. Unfortunately I bought mine before I knew about em.

93M6Formula
8th September 2010, 10:27 AM
Just ordered this. Should be here later this week or first thing next week. Hope I like it
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HUU-3915032/

Also, hoping to get some LCA's and SLP line lock from LT4TransAm if nobody else buys them.

Good shifter, that's what I put in my Formula

93M6Formula
8th September 2010, 10:39 AM
man can i drive your lt1 camaro????? i want to feel that beast alive.

No way in hell are you driving my car...and Im pretty sure I have the slowest LT1 on the site:lol:

Nah man, I'm more stock than yours is so i'm betting im the slowest. I'd like to race you sometime though.

cody6.0
10th September 2010, 09:42 AM
look better than the TT2s

93StockZ
10th September 2010, 06:58 PM
Got the wheels and tires mounted up. Got a shitty camera and it was kind of hazy so they look like ****. I had more but lost em some how. Will try and get more sometime or whenever people are out they can take some too since I have 0 camera skills

millertime
10th September 2010, 09:51 PM
they look great on your car

Slikrider
11th September 2010, 01:11 AM
i like it

cole
11th September 2010, 09:18 AM
looks damn good

Cobra Commander
11th September 2010, 09:48 AM
I'm amazing how much you 4th Gen guys worry about your wheels. ****ers are changing setups quicker then oil changes. :lol:

cole
11th September 2010, 09:56 AM
** wheels...except LE 35ths

Cobra Commander
11th September 2010, 10:10 AM
I can't make fun I guess. I'm still calling myself a retard for ditching the stockers on my Cobra for queer FR500s. Stock > *

cole
11th September 2010, 10:19 AM
could've been worse

Slikrider
11th September 2010, 10:23 AM
I'm amazing how much you 4th Gen guys worry about your wheels. ****ers are changing setups quicker then oil changes. :lol:

only the OP

Cobra Commander
11th September 2010, 10:23 AM
COBRA R! :lol:

Ninja'd.

96speedZ28
11th September 2010, 11:07 AM
** wheels...except LE 35ths

** u

I can't make fun I guess. I'm still calling myself a retard for ditching the stockers on my Cobra for queer FR500s. Stock > *

FR500's looked waayyy better

I'm amazing how much you 4th Gen guys worry about your wheels. ****ers are changing setups quicker then oil changes. :lol:

only the OP

93StockZ
11th September 2010, 11:16 AM
Been waiting for that. Thanks for getting that out of the way haha
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GC8U
11th September 2010, 11:34 AM
Looks good.

93StockZ
11th September 2010, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the compliments. I think these look 10x better than the TT2s

93StockZ
6th December 2010, 08:33 PM
Not much of one but I'm pretty excited about it. I'm getting married this coming August and I think I finally convinced my fiance to let me get my h/c/i set up next winter.
I know the car is for sale right now but everything is for the right price right? This is giving me a lot of motivation to keep this car. I can't wait until I can go back to work and start saving some money before she changes her mind. (I told her I was gonna pull out so we would not have kids until after my car was done with the swap:)).
Goal for the car is to be somewhere between 400-450 rwhp N/A. According to LE it'll be up around 410rwhp before the intake and whatnot.

Edit: I know a lot of people have big plans for their cars and stuff but this WILL be something that gets done as long as nothing unforseen comes up. *crosses fingers*

GC8U
6th December 2010, 09:58 PM
Congrats man!

KyleJ
6th December 2010, 10:04 PM
Keep putting it in her butt and you'll have tons of money for the car.

93StockZ
6th December 2010, 10:16 PM
Keep putting it in her butt and you'll have tons of money for the car.

Im about 100% positive that ^this will not work. I'd even go as far to say that if I did do this, I'd be looking for a new place to stay lol

JesterMX6
7th December 2010, 01:23 PM
or SHE'D be looking for a new place to stay...think about it....

93StockZ
7th December 2010, 01:25 PM
or SHE'D be looking for a new place to stay...think about it....

:lol:

93M6Formula
7th December 2010, 03:58 PM
Glad you decided to keep modding the Z! I've been planning my build and next years tax return is getting saved for a LE2 set up on my Formula. Ive heard nothing but good things from Lloyd Elliot and you can't beat the prices either. Good Luck man and congrats on getting married!

93StockZ
21st December 2010, 03:23 PM
Finally got another "shopping cart" together. Hope to purchase some goodies real soon.

red93z28
21st December 2010, 04:42 PM
nice i'm having problems with that

93StockZ
22nd December 2010, 02:09 PM
Ordered some goodies:woot:
-LE custom grind cam 228/236 .5776-.571 110lsa
-Patriot gold extreme springs
-Comp rockers (1618-16)
-Comp rocker studs (4502-16)
-Pro gear timing chain and gear set

I'm sure this list will grow as time goes and gets closer to the install.

All of these should be here sometime just after the first of the year due to Comp doing inventory and not shipping anything out until then.

Parts still to come from Summit:
-Meziere electric water pump w/ relay kit
-GM opti w/ MSD cap and rotor
-GM LS7 lifters
-Trick Flow chromemoly pushrods

Hope to have this all installed sometime this spring.

96speedZ28
22nd December 2010, 02:23 PM
Just haaad to go and 1 up me on the cam size :lol: Who will be doing the install?

93StockZ
22nd December 2010, 02:33 PM
I would LOVE to do it myself w the help of people that have done it before on a similar car but idk who would be willing to help/do some of the work for beer n pizza so if worse comes to worse it'll go to one of our local shops.
I don't have a whole lot of tools and my mechanical abilities are minimal at best. I get frustrated too easy lol
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GC8U
22nd December 2010, 02:34 PM
Nice. Come Spring 2011, we are gonna have some decent cars out. I'm excited.

93StockZ
22nd December 2010, 02:34 PM
And as far as the 1uppage, why not? Haha but it fits what I'd like to get out of the car w out head work and such
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red93z28
22nd December 2010, 02:45 PM
And as far as the 1uppage, why not? Haha but it fits what I'd like to get out of the car w out head work and such
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Did I prompt this last night?
what are you doing about pushrod length?

93StockZ
22nd December 2010, 02:48 PM
Pretty much what most people do and what 93m6formula told ya. I'm not gonna be cutting corners with this car. I want it to be done right
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93StockZ
22nd December 2010, 02:50 PM
And no you did not prompt this. I've ALWAYS wanted a cam'd car. That and at some point I wanna become KOTS!!
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96speedZ28
22nd December 2010, 02:52 PM
And as far as the 1uppage, why not? Haha but it fits what I'd like to get out of the car w out head work and such
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Haha Yeah I hear ya. Guess i'll just have to save for heads now :)

01SOMZ28
22nd December 2010, 03:29 PM
Hell yea! Thats what i like to see. The more cam'd fbodys the better.

93M6Formula
22nd December 2010, 03:43 PM
I'm putting my LT's on in a few weeks along with a new clutch, and DR's, LE stuff is on the way also!

93StockZ
22nd December 2010, 04:50 PM
And as far as the 1uppage, why not? Haha but it fits what I'd like to get out of the car w out head work and such
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Haha Yeah I hear ya. Guess i'll just have to save for heads now :)

Ya, I wanted to also but with not working the past month and a house and wedding to pay for this is the route that makes more economical sense at the moment. I'll be looking at over $2k in parts alone for this which sucks. But, I have no reason not to replace the water pump and opti, etc

93StockZ
27th December 2010, 12:58 AM
I hate having a car that hooks up so I ordered some BMR lowering springs.

93StockZ
27th December 2010, 01:10 AM
Oh, and a BMR double adjustable panhard rod. Idk why but I like the way red suspension parts look on my car.
On another note, I'm kicking myself for ordering these goodies because I still have quite a bit more stuff to order for the cam swap.

Cobra Commander
27th December 2010, 09:38 AM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/12/2010/12/237762bb1dedcb0927492d0ae522ea73/340x.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/12/2010/12/2887d53453a3f883f6fd9843351b0ff4/340x.jpg

93StockZ
27th December 2010, 09:56 AM
Rofl. Pretty much.
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93StockZ
27th December 2010, 03:15 PM
Should have the lowering springs and panhard rod here on the 3rd and the cam stuff on the 5th. Can't wait until winter is over!

93StockZ
30th December 2010, 09:05 AM
Woke up to someone knocking on my door with these for me:)
Sorry for the shitty cell phone pics.

millertime
30th December 2010, 12:08 PM
but I thought you said lowered cars can't hook?!

93StockZ
30th December 2010, 12:18 PM
Who? Not this guy.
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CamaroKITT
30th December 2010, 12:36 PM
but I thought you said lowered cars can't hook?!

you must been drinking bro?

01SOMZ28
30th December 2010, 01:19 PM
but I thought you said lowered cars can't hook?!

That is one of the most ruhtarded statements i here people say....1.6 60' and lowered here, 1.5's or better next season.

Z28
30th December 2010, 01:24 PM
Could of been doing 1.4s then right?

So you are doing lifters but stock heads?

millertime
30th December 2010, 01:26 PM
but I thought you said lowered cars can't hook?!

That is one of the most ruhtarded statements i here people say....1.6 60' and lowered here, 1.5's or better next season.

I didn't think the yellow was needed, I'm aware of your accomplishments with your lowered car.

96speedZ28
30th December 2010, 01:48 PM
Could of been doing 1.4s then right?

So you are doing lifters but stock heads?

You don't have to pull the heads to get to the lifters on LT1's.

Z28
30th December 2010, 02:53 PM
Ah..

93StockZ
30th December 2010, 02:55 PM
Not doing heads. Not right now anyways.

93StockZ
31st December 2010, 09:22 PM
Picking up a radiator tomorrow. Hope to get it put in Sunday before the damn car freezes up.

93StockZ
1st January 2011, 06:53 PM
Ok, I am done spending money on this car until I have the rest of my parts for my cam swap.
Today, went to Gretna and picked up a radiator for the car...and about 5 mins ago bought some exhaust from the same guy. It is being delivered tonight. Got a pretty good deal on it and it is very clean.
Once again, I'm happy but kicking myself for not waiting until the cam is done.

AND, this exhaust will stay on the car for quite some time. Or at least until I find a true dual setup I want.

93StockZ
1st January 2011, 09:29 PM
quick pics of the radiator and exhaust.

93StockZ
3rd January 2011, 06:39 PM
Got these in the mail today

93StockZ
5th January 2011, 08:02 PM
Couple more things today:) Rockers, studs, timing gear/chain, and camshaft came this morning.

jlah69
5th January 2011, 08:59 PM
When will Halverson be doing this?

93M6Formula
5th January 2011, 08:59 PM
Couple more things today:) Rockers, studs, timing gear/chain, and camshaft came this morning.

What Comp Cam did you get? Looks like christmas all over again for you :lol:

93StockZ
5th January 2011, 09:05 PM
custom grind. It's in a previous post I think. 228/236 110LSA. Just another baby cam'd car

93M6Formula
5th January 2011, 09:19 PM
custom grind. It's in a previous post I think. 228/236 110LSA. Just another baby cam'd car

Ah must of missed it, will still be quick car none the less. Im waiting for my tax return so I can finish some suspension stuff. cars on jack stands now waiting for me to get those LT's installed!

93StockZ
8th January 2011, 12:10 AM
Picking up a UMI TQ Arm tomorrow.

jlah69
8th January 2011, 09:52 AM
Where did you get all of this $$$ for these parts you keep buying buddy? You keep calling me money bags, but I'm going to need in on whatever you have going on.

93StockZ
8th January 2011, 11:13 AM
I haven't bought anything that's too expensive yet and my purchases have been spread out. Oh, and sell your body. Workin' great for me
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jlah69
8th January 2011, 03:41 PM
I haven't bought anything that's too expensive yet and my purchases have been spread out. Oh, and sell your body. Workin' great for me
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Damn it...So basically I've been buying all your parts. I knew you were charging too much.

Slikrider
8th January 2011, 04:21 PM
Nice man, wish i had the funds for a cam.

Yngvar
8th January 2011, 07:01 PM
custom grind. It's in a previous post I think. 228/236 110LSA. Just another baby cam'd car

how much lift?

ddr698
8th January 2011, 07:43 PM
custom grind. It's in a previous post I think. 228/236 110LSA. Just another baby cam'd car

Depending on the lift thats fairly close to what Lloyd elliot and AI put with their LE2 & 200cc CNC heads to go with a 383. Normally they are about a 230/238 @ 110-111.

93StockZ
8th January 2011, 08:13 PM
Its a LE custom grind cam.
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ddr698
9th January 2011, 10:14 AM
Ah that makes sense then haha!

93StockZ
9th January 2011, 07:05 PM
Picking up the oem CME and valance tomorrow. Also, hoping to order my oem spoiler tomorrow as well.

96speedZ28
9th January 2011, 07:35 PM
Okay, where's the money tree? :lol:

jlah69
9th January 2011, 07:47 PM
Okay, where's the money tree? :lol:

93StockZ
9th January 2011, 07:50 PM
Okay, where's the money tree? :lol:

ALL of this is cheaper than your hood:lol:...which I still want:doubt:
May have to go with a VFN hood. Almost ordered one tonight but luckily talked myself out of it

whitesscamaro
9th January 2011, 07:54 PM
^ I did that for 4 years... then finally bought one. lol

96speedZ28
9th January 2011, 07:58 PM
Okay, where's the money tree? :lol:

ALL of this is cheaper than your hood:lol:...which I still want:doubt:
May have to go with a VFN hood. Almost ordered one tonight but luckily talked myself out of it

haha I doubt it. Where did you find an oem spoiler?

93StockZ
9th January 2011, 07:59 PM
^ I did that for 4 years... then finally bought one. lol

Ha. For some reason I think their cowl hoods look better on the 98-02's than the 93-97s. Just need to convince myself it's worth it. It will prly be a while:lol:

93StockZ
9th January 2011, 08:00 PM
Okay, where's the money tree? :lol:

ALL of this is cheaper than your hood:lol:...which I still want:doubt:
May have to go with a VFN hood. Almost ordered one tonight but luckily talked myself out of it

haha I doubt it. Where did you find an oem spoiler?

ls1 tech

96speedZ28
9th January 2011, 08:19 PM
Nice

93StockZ
9th January 2011, 08:26 PM
something like this?

GC8U
9th January 2011, 08:56 PM
something like this?

Aside from the billet grill, I like that.

93StockZ
9th January 2011, 08:59 PM
No way in hell would I put a billet grill on my car:lol:

GC8U
9th January 2011, 09:07 PM
That's good, they look like **** on just about any vehicle haha.

96speedZ28
10th January 2011, 12:09 AM
Yeah I like that hood also, its the only other one id put on my car.

93StockZ
10th January 2011, 03:25 PM
No CME for me. Daily is currently out of commission so ya. Gay.
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01SOMZ28
10th January 2011, 07:47 PM
Okay, where's the money tree? :lol:

Credit cards

93StockZ
10th January 2011, 07:56 PM
I don't have credit cards'. Well I do, but one is a Best Buy card and the other just a "back up". If I wanted everything on credit cards I'd still be buying the CME.

01SOMZ28
10th January 2011, 08:01 PM
I was kidding.