WL: 1995 Eclipse GSX 'Molly' [Archive]

KyleJ

21st March 2010, 01:23 AM

Everyone knows the history of this car, it's been ridden like a Clydesdale in a one horse town. I originally bought it to just fix quick and flip, but there's no way I'll end up with a quick job. I have decided to keep it as a intermediate term project car, good chance to learn some new tricks in the import world.

Specs:
1995 GSX
5 speed
112k
Leather interior
Pretty clean overall

Current mods:
6 bolt swapped
16g turbo
HKS cams
Greddy BOV
Large FMIC
Assorted gauges/Blitz turbo timer
3" Turbo back
2GB front bumper
Aftermarket clutch (Centerforce I believe)

Current issues:
Some miss-matched wiring/2g sensors
Possible/likely bent valves
Stock head bolts re-installed, not very trustworthy

Current plan:
Pull the head for new head bolts (ARP) and inspect what all's going on in there. Access the damage from there.
OEM or minor step up valves/guides/seals
Fix up the wiring, order plug and play 6 bolt into 2g harness if it's not too hacked.

Parts ordered so far: ARP headbolts

Immediate plans after the car is running:
190/255lph fuel pump
One or two size bigger injectors
DSMlink
White TE37 reps

Goal: Respectable, clean street car. No straight line performance goals, just want it to be a decent cruiser. Not really planning on making much more power, just want to make it more reliable.

Progress will likely be slow, but consistent. I'll update with lots of pictures accordingly.

KyleT

21st March 2010, 02:37 AM

:Thumb:

GC8U

21st March 2010, 03:47 AM

Let me know if you need help with pulling the head. I'd be glad to help.

D1sclaimer

21st March 2010, 11:07 AM

just want to make it more reliable.

I can see why you don't like imports if this is the car you chose for a reliable import.

matt

21st March 2010, 12:07 PM

scr **** car

KyleJ

21st March 2010, 01:08 PM

Found the ARP headstuds on STM for $89, going to call and cancel my order on the OEM ones I ordered tomorrow. Also found Supertech valve guides at $62 each for intake and exhaust sets. I take it Supertech makes a pretty good product? They also have a pretty good valve stem seal kit on STM. Still shopping and pricing out valves.

slojeep

21st March 2010, 01:16 PM

sweet man. hope to see that out. saw it on craigslist. pretty clean, looks like we have about the same goals.

matt

21st March 2010, 01:23 PM

supertech makes awesome stuff, I had a valve/spring set from them I was going to install on my h22hatch, awesome stuff.

D1sclaimer

21st March 2010, 01:28 PM

I take it Supertech makes a pretty good product? They also have a pretty good valve stem seal kit on STM. Still shopping and pricing out valves.

Yeah, most Honda guys at least use Supertech and have good things to say about them. Especially for the price.

matt

21st March 2010, 01:30 PM

I had a supertech valve/spring set, and some cam set I dont remember what brand and I take that back it wasnt for my h22 it was for my b16 teggy. anyways with the valve train I had it was supposed to be good for 9k rpm, I would deff recomend supertech. Just do a google search for reveiws

EvanE

21st March 2010, 01:31 PM

i have supertech reduced OD valve seals :D but GSC beehive valve spring kit

95gsx

21st March 2010, 01:45 PM

whats your fuel pump? I believe its a 255 but if 190 would you want to swap?

EvanE

21st March 2010, 02:06 PM

i have a 255....had a 190 but sold it to scott prelude

95gsx

21st March 2010, 02:20 PM

i have the 255 but don't want to purchase the supporting mods to stop it running rich, would rather just swap back.

Burntz

21st March 2010, 04:27 PM

Jason: Get a FPR?? Tard lol

Kyle, a 190 would suit that 16g fine.
Id do some diagnosing before ordering valves. If they are fine, it saves you having to pull the head to replace the Head bolts. You just do them one by one. Then you dont have to buy another HG either lol.

Also, I thought it had 650cc injectors? Those match up about perfect to the 16g also.

Ecmlink v3 and TE 37's ftw.

talon2008

21st March 2010, 04:59 PM

Highly advise pulling the head and putting some arps in there along with a oem vr4 mls headgasket. You can get the headgasket from Bruce at parts dinosaur for like 49.99. Shoot it with some copper spray and lug on them arps till around 100 ft lbs and you should never have a problem. Also +1 on burntz statement of getting an FPR. If your going to mod the thing you may as well do it correctly from the start. Trust me as I was a broke highschool kid trying to build a car out of my league and ran out of money. If you half ass **** it will not last, ending up costing you more to do it 3-4 times the half ass way than if you just did it correct the first time. Definately dont mind wrenching on dsm's if you ever need any help!

Burntz

21st March 2010, 07:43 PM

the stock headgasket will be fine for whatever that 16g can throw at it, and he's not going to push it to its limits anyways.

He doesn't have to pull the head to put the arps in either, unless they're the stud/nut kind. Just start from the center and replace them one by one in the correct pattern. 100 ft/lbs sounds a bit excessive too, I know oem specs on my supra were 75-80 ft/lbs. Correction, they were 55 ft/lbs lol but thats why every headgasket in a 7m failed. 75 was correct. Id think 90 would be about right.

Lepa

21st March 2010, 08:18 PM

ARP Hardware has its own torque specs, but I'm sure you knew that.

D1sclaimer

21st March 2010, 08:33 PM

Yeah, who cares about the torquing sequence either.

D1sclaimer

21st March 2010, 08:38 PM

http://nestreetscene.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=82582

93DEESEM

21st March 2010, 08:51 PM

I did my arp's to about 90 ft/lbs

I also did a copper head gasket, cant remember what brand it was...it's in my work log though, I haven't really got to test it too much but everything I read about it looked good

KyleJ

21st March 2010, 08:53 PM

http://nestreetscene.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=82582

Pass. I want to finish this car now.

As soon as I get my DD situation figured out I'll start ordering parts. First on my list is the ARP studs. I've got some time off this week so I'm going to pull the VC off tomorrow, see what I've got and pull the head later this week. I'll update accordingly.

KyleJ

21st March 2010, 08:54 PM

Car also got a brand new OEM HG just before I got it. I'll probably leave that alone for now.

talon2008

21st March 2010, 09:30 PM

Not to be a smart ass, but EnglishRacing is running 10.3 on a fp hta16 :D Dont under estimate the right combination of parts is basically what im saying.

srt-4_uk

21st March 2010, 09:59 PM

** copper headgasket ****. spray paint it. wait till its tacky then install
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Lt4TransAm

21st March 2010, 10:03 PM

Sell this turd

flawlessTSI

21st March 2010, 11:08 PM

i did my arp's to 100. 5000 plus miles and still holding all the abuse i put my pos through even 30lbs of boost a few times.

talon2008

21st March 2010, 11:14 PM

i did my arp's to 100. 5000 plus miles and still holding all the abuse i put my pos through even 30lbs of boost a few times.

Without any fine tuning, so almost guranteed there was more than enough knock than anyone would prefer to have in a tune. Boost isnt what kills headgaskets or stretch headbolts/studs... Its mainly knock. (in the exception of extremely high boost on large framed turbos)

srt-4_uk

21st March 2010, 11:18 PM

knock kills headgaskets?
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millertime

21st March 2010, 11:38 PM

I have the stock FD fuel pump that I just pulled, I'll sell it for 30 bucks, flows about 190lph, if anybody is interested

KyleJ

22nd March 2010, 04:08 PM

OK I'm looking for opinions here. I priced out the parts I can get at work since I get a discount on them.

Felpro headbolt set: $32.99 @ 20% discount $26.40
Felpro valve stem seal kit: $28.99 @ 20% discount $23.20

I also found Melling valves, but I can't get them at discount since they have to be vendor ordered.
$8.99 a piece for intake side $72 for the set
$15.99 for exhaust side $128 for the set

Sooo on valves $200 for the set for Melling OEM's.

I talked to Beans, and I think I'm going to run the Felpro head bolts and save the cash there. The less money I spend, the sooner I can get it all back together.

Cobra Commander

22nd March 2010, 04:22 PM

Didn't this car fail to crack 13s at KCIR when Ervin had it? Or has the mod list changed considerably since then?

KyleJ

22nd March 2010, 04:28 PM

I don't know what his setup was, but I know it's a completely different motor now. It's a 6 bolt, HKS cams, 16g turbo and some other ****.

Trust me, if I wanted a 1/4 mile car I wouldn't have bought this. I'm still planning a 4th gen or 99+ Mustang when this is gone.

Cobra Commander

22nd March 2010, 04:47 PM

Pretty sure Ervin didn't have cams. **** that was a long time ago. :lol:

93DEESEM

22nd March 2010, 06:21 PM

I think you can get comperable valves for cheaper, I'll look around when i'm off work. I think I got OEM ones for about $50 a set

talon2008

22nd March 2010, 07:41 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4G63-stainless-valves-stock-size-H-P-Eclipse-Turbo_W0QQitemZ380215397002QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRace _Car_Parts?hash=item58869a8a8a

This guy sells absolutely AMAZING valves. If a valve breaks he will replace it ABSOLUTELY no questions asked, unless of course its due to timing belt breaking and such mistakes. A quick search of google and you will maybe find the thread on dsmtuners about the guy. Definately a stand up man and will stand up to his word. Maybe its dsmlink I cant remember at the moment.

KyleJ

22nd March 2010, 08:39 PM

This might be a dumb question, but can I mix and match valves/guides and seals? Like, can I run brand X valves, OEM seals and the supertech guides?

EvanE

22nd March 2010, 08:45 PM

sure can dood

93DEESEM

22nd March 2010, 08:48 PM

I also have a set of seals brand new never used if I can find them I'll sell you for cheap if I can find them

93DEESEM

22nd March 2010, 08:49 PM

well I guess it wouldnt be much cheaper than your discount, I was thinking like $20

D1sclaimer

22nd March 2010, 08:56 PM

If a valve breaks he will replace it ABSOLUTELY no questions asked

I would rather not have a valve break.

KyleJ

22nd March 2010, 11:34 PM

What brand are they? If I can save money I'll most likely do it any way I can.

ali

22nd March 2010, 11:36 PM

from what i can remember he had the 7-bolt with cams, 16g, dsmlink, and exhaust. Then sold it to shaine

93DEESEM

23rd March 2010, 12:00 AM

mine kyle? I dont remember off the top of my head, I can look back in my past ebay purchases, but i'll need to search deep in the garage for them so odds arent good but i'll be out there tomorrow working on the DSM so i'll text you after I look

KyleJ

23rd March 2010, 12:02 AM

No rush. I'm going to pull the VC and compression test Molly tomorrow and HOPEFULLY pick up a DD so I can start ordering some parts.

Burntz

23rd March 2010, 12:21 AM

btw Disclaimer, if you read my last post carefully, I said replace the Headbolts 1 by 1 in the CORRECT pattern. Not like I havn't replaced the head on a 7m, 4g63t, sbc, etc.

Kyle, text me when you comp test it. Factory spec is.. 178 ? I believe, at least on the 7 bolt. Assuming the 6 bolt should be very similar.

Trick

23rd March 2010, 12:26 AM

is this done yet?

KyleJ

23rd March 2010, 12:27 AM

I will. I am going to pull the VC off right away tomorrow morning (since I have the day off), hopefully get my DD situation fingered out, then run up to work and snag our tester. If all goes right the battery will last long enough to test it.

D1sclaimer

23rd March 2010, 12:43 AM

btw Disclaimer, if you read my last post carefully, I said replace the Headbolts 1 by 1 in the CORRECT pattern. Not like I havn't replaced the head on a 7m, 4g63t, sbc, etc.

I can't read. Its been proven many times on here.

KyleJ

23rd March 2010, 12:46 AM

So lets say that in a perfect world (IE: not mine) I pop the VC and everything looks good. Compression test it and it comes up with decent results. I can replace the head bolts one at a time without actually removing the head? Just pull one, replace it with new, torque it down and move on?

Edit: As long as I follow the correct pattern?

bimmerbrian

23rd March 2010, 12:50 AM

Yes.

D1sclaimer

23rd March 2010, 12:53 AM

http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/sava66375?db=CHLL&id=40539003520151

flawlessTSI

23rd March 2010, 03:30 AM

50 bux and ill get it to start.

edit.. thats if everthing else is ok on the car.

KyleJ

23rd March 2010, 01:16 PM

Pulled the VC and everything looks fine. Going to snag a compression tester from work and see what I come up with. Crossing my fingers.

flawlessTSI

26th March 2010, 06:28 PM

Pulled the VC and everything looks fine. Going to snag a compression tester from work and see what I come up with. Crossing my fingers.

it all may look ok but you have to try and move the rockers with your hand and if the move freely then valves are bent.

KyleJ

26th March 2010, 06:42 PM

Word, I'll see what I can do here in a little bit. Today was suppose to be an all day wrenching/cleaning session since it's my Bday and I have the day off. Woke up this morning and have been sicker than **** all day.

KyleJ

26th March 2010, 07:40 PM

No play up/down in the rockers. Was going to toss the battery in and check the comp. but I started coughing and threw up, LAWL.

flawlessTSI

27th March 2010, 01:33 PM

dam that sucks. its a sign to give your car to me...

DSMMIKE

27th March 2010, 02:09 PM

fix the timing before you compression test it

KyleJ

27th March 2010, 06:42 PM

Timing was fixed already. Yngvar supposedly did it. Looks fine.

toom1h

27th March 2010, 07:51 PM

Sounds like you are willing to chance that it could be wrong.

Doesn't sound like you'll have a dsm very long :(

KyleJ

27th March 2010, 07:54 PM

If I blow it up then I'll part it out and buy an Fbody.

toom1h

27th March 2010, 08:03 PM

Why not sell it all now instead of risk all that?

I guess in my opinion dsms are one of those cars you need to use a fine tooth comb on everything or it is better off with someone else (not shaine though)

KyleJ

27th March 2010, 08:12 PM

If it runs, cool. If not I won't shed a tear parting it out.

toom1h

27th March 2010, 08:17 PM

Then why try to get new bumpers?

edit: bumper*

KyleJ

27th March 2010, 08:20 PM

Because I'd rather have it look pretty than run hard.

toom1h

27th March 2010, 08:21 PM

Ewww ricer

Burntz

27th March 2010, 10:12 PM

their may be another dsm in the albers family soonn

least it'll run ha

flawlessTSI

27th March 2010, 11:35 PM

their may be another dsm in the albers family soonn

least it'll run ha

do it do it

KyleJ

27th March 2010, 11:47 PM

their may be another dsm in the albers family soonn

least it'll run ha

do it do it

If you want to come by some time this week and take a look at the wiring for me, I would be very appreciative.

96eclipse

28th March 2010, 02:52 AM

talon2008

28th March 2010, 03:31 AM

If it TRUELY is a wiring problem it must be something very very obvious. I have like 10 wires in my bay that are pretty much required for the car to run and thats it. Anything else is basically not essential to the running of the car.

flawlessTSI

28th March 2010, 10:46 PM

KyleJ

28th March 2010, 10:57 PM

I'll give ya a text when I get off work. Thanks!

shainesboostin

31st March 2010, 05:44 PM

their may be another dsm in the albers family soonn

least it'll run ha

do it do it

If you want to come by some time this week and take a look at the wiring for me, I would be very appreciative.

Do you know what wiring is messed up? If it was shaine that did the 6 bolt swap id check the cas sensor wiring.

Yes, I did the wiring, however, I used a conversion harness. The car ran when I sold it, there is two plugs that it will connect to, which is probably whats wrong, plugs need switched...

talon2008

31st March 2010, 06:30 PM

CAS/AC plug on a 2g look identical, do not use the plug that is on the very end of the harness.

Ervin

5th April 2010, 02:43 PM

Didn't this car fail to crack 13s at KCIR when Ervin had it?

doubt it....considering I've never been to KCIR :rolleye:

KyleJ

16th April 2010, 05:01 AM

Update: working on it nao!

Beans

16th April 2010, 09:15 AM

Update: working on it nao!
**** 5am is too early.

KyleJ

16th April 2010, 09:38 AM

I couldn't sleep. Sorting some little **** out today, going to pull the front bumper and hopefully get some paint close enough to match until I can get my hands on another bumper. Also going to black rattle can most the IC pipes because they all look like ****. Going to put the new plugs in, fix some wiring **** I found and see where it gets me.

I'll most likely be falling asleep here in about an hour though.

cole

17th April 2010, 03:19 PM

sounds like you need to move this thing pronto

KyleJ

1st September 2010, 03:47 PM

Holy bumpage batman.

Updates will be coming shortly, but this car has made soooooo much progress the last two weeks it's kind of insane. It ran, but ran like ****. We tracked down a few small problems, then tore it all apart to re-do a bunch of ****. It should be DONE done in a week or so.

Burntz

1st September 2010, 04:00 PM

race stunted f4i now? then race jeep in winter?? haha

KyleJ

1st September 2010, 05:24 PM

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs309.snc4/40809_1614117999350_1428317171_31701593_7915007_n. jpg

Just a little preview of what were doing. All the injectors are wired in this picture. :D

Kries

1st September 2010, 05:53 PM

Holy ****. Have you gotten this thing running yet!?

Yngvar

1st September 2010, 08:14 PM

no wire tucking

millertime

1st September 2010, 08:24 PM

does this have forged internals too?!

Beans

1st September 2010, 09:16 PM

no wire tucking

the fuel injector wiring and tps is wire tucked!

KyleJ

1st September 2010, 10:15 PM

no wire tucking

More hidden, not really tucked. Either way it looks 10x better than it did.

toom1h

2nd September 2010, 02:27 AM

Yeah the car is doing awesome! Can't wait for the next week or so. On this car, beans car, and hell even my car.

KyleJ

18th September 2010, 11:34 PM

Purchased the last piece I needed to finish the car. Shooting to have it 'running' by the end of the week.

Kries

18th September 2010, 11:38 PM

Yo dawg, I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish, but Evan had one of best worklogs of all time.

KyleJ

18th September 2010, 11:40 PM

:lol:

KyleJ

10th October 2010, 11:58 PM

After some setbacks with DSMlink, everything is now in order. Finally have some time off this week and will be working on it nightly. Shooting for a saturday setup.

D1sclaimer

5th January 2011, 08:14 PM

Bump. You get this pile of **** running without issue yet or are your friends too busy to work on your car for you?

KyleJ

5th January 2011, 08:20 PM

My friends are all too busy and tired of working on it for me.

Beans

5th January 2011, 08:23 PM

My friends are all too busy and tired of working on it for me.
:lol: that is true and but ill help you tho!!

KyleJ

5th January 2011, 08:26 PM

I really don't have the time (or funds) for two cars right now. So long as I can get the GTP's loose ends tied up by spring my attention will go back to this car. Thanks for the help beans, I love you. :lol:

KyleJ

14th January 2011, 02:15 AM

Ordering the new DSMlink setup a week from today. I will also be putting new couplers on my IC system today, and finishing up the vac lines for the stock FPR. Time provided I will hook up my new boost gauge as well.

Also picking up some factory 97-99 5 spokes to rattle can black for rollers. Putting the GTP on hold until this is done.

Trick

14th January 2011, 02:45 AM

Why have you had so much trouble with dsmlinks?

STOK5OH

14th January 2011, 03:52 AM

:lol:

96speedZ28

14th January 2011, 09:20 AM

This car will never run

KyleJ

14th January 2011, 02:35 PM

Why have you had so much trouble with dsmlinks?

The adapter that makes the whole unit work 'disappeared' from my house.

Chris this car has already run.

96speedZ28

14th January 2011, 02:59 PM

Why have you had so much trouble with dsmlinks?

The adapter that makes the whole unit work 'disappeared' from my house.

Chris this car has already run.

Haha im just giving you ****. its MOTIVATION!

KyleJ

14th January 2011, 03:07 PM

Ohhhh, well then YOUR CAR WILL NEVER RUN 11'S!

96speedZ28

14th January 2011, 03:23 PM

:lol:

350-10

14th January 2011, 05:38 PM

Why have you had so much trouble with dsmlinks?

The adapter that makes the whole unit work 'disappeared' from my house.

Chris this car has already run.

I heard that video was edited.

KyleJ

14th January 2011, 06:46 PM

If you watch the end of the video, you can see fuel spilling all over the floor of the garage from the return line being off.

Kries

14th January 2011, 07:40 PM

:bsflag: car has never ran.

KyleJ

31st January 2011, 03:03 PM

Small update, replaced all the vac lines, got all the fuel lines and FPR set up, and replaced all the bad IC couplers with Semi Radiator Hose. I need to pick up a couple more T-bolt clamps to get the IC setup completely done. As it sits, I have a couple more sensors to solder and heat shrink then I'm done. I should be getting to those tonight or tomorrow, and I'll pick up more clamps tomorrow.

Past that it's just about waiting for a used DSMlink v2 or v3 to come along used. I already have the money saved and waiting. Then put the hood/headlights/bumper back on and I'll be ready to roll.

KyleJ

13th February 2011, 11:15 PM

Emailed a few people after searching Craigslist nationwide for DSMlink.

Also purchased a 2gb high rise spoiler for the car today.

Burntz

13th February 2011, 11:52 PM

My dam trans am is gonna have its motor rebuilt and be out before you finish this thing ;)

KyleJ

13th February 2011, 11:58 PM

Probably, but mine will be nicer and faster when it's done. :)

Honestly I'm in no rush to finish it. I just want to do it right.

Burntz

14th February 2011, 12:09 AM

Probably, but mine will be nicer and faster when it's done. :)

Honestly I'm in no rush to finish it. I just want to do it right.

Nicer .. yes. It'll be quite awhile before I consider that car "nice". As for faster, I guess that'll depend. What are you planning on making powerwise with your setup?