96 Eclipse RS

[96eclipse]

Well its been a project for almost 3 years. But ive decided to have some fun with it. Ive been shopping around and waiting for good deals. Heres a few new toys.
http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/DSCF0603.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/DSCF0596.jpg

I also have my fmic and piping installed. Now i just need the manifold and fuel cut defender.

[Burntz]

fuel cut defender? are you ****ing serious?

[96eclipse]

fuel cut defender? are you ****ing serious?

Ya its that, megasquirt, or a missing link. I dont have the money for ms now and ive heard bad things about missing link. And safc's dont work on turboed 420a's.

[Burntz]

sweet, so basically you're buying it to blow up your motor even easier?

First off, I dont understand what it will accomplish for you

Its intended for turbo cars, with ECUs that sense manifold pressure in accordance with boost. It tricks the ECU into thinking that you arn't at the point to cut fuel.

Being as you're 420a, you're supposed to be N/A, = wtf good will a FCD do for you?

Megasquirt, emanage, or something of the sort is the only route

[96eclipse]

sweet, so basically you're buying it to blow up your motor even easier?

Im going turbo? And yes it does trick the ecu which is why i need it.

[Burntz]

You're missing the point retard, The FCD does not have fuel maps for boost on it = still fking pointless.

Stock turbo ECU has rising fuel maps in accordance with boost pressure derived from the Manifold differential pressure sensor, Intake air temperature sensor, coolant temperature sensor, Mass airflow sensor...it kills fuel at 18-19 psi to prevent engine damage.

Stock non-turbo ecu has a linear fuel map, fuel rises with RPMS. Pretty sure no manifold pressure sensor.

So tell me why you'd need this fuel cut defender again?

[96eclipse]

The ecu doesnt raise fuel by rpm.

[Burntz]

It does, but its not based on RPM's.

Fuel delivery is based on the MAF and or MAP sensors. It uses these readings to determine air/fuel, and also figure out Load, which is used to determine timing advance, all in accordance with the fuel/ignition maps set on the ECU.

N/A fuel maps don't account for the fact instead of ~60% volumetric effeciency, you now have ~100% to ~120%, and won't add fuel at the correct rates. Ignition advance and timing will also be very different.

What you need to do, is get a stand alone. Plain and simpleee. I'm sure if you ran 4 Psi and used premium you'd be somewhat ok, but you're not understanding all the variables taken into account for proper fueling and ignition.

Do some research

[Black ss]

I like your avatar of you bangin your mom...

[turbodaytona87]

You need at least a 1:1 boost referenced FPR.

[96eclipse]

Ya i will be getting a 12:1 fmu along with a 255 walboro. But im only going to run 3-4psi at first lol. ive heard you can run 3-4psi on the stock fuel system so im trying that first.

[turbodaytona87]

I would get a wideband as well

[96eclipse]

Ya im trying to get second job so i have more extra cash.

[96eclipse]

the manifold and oil lines are on there way. I also remove the a.c stuff. Ill post some more piks soon.

[EVOVIIIjohn]

<<<<taking bets on if it will last through the summer...

[96eclipse]

Put everything on to see how the fit.
http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/DSCF0620.jpg


Now im in the process of finding a block that just needs honed at the junkyard.

[CamaroKITT]

:shock:

[96eclipse]

:shock:

It needs a wire tuck bad.

[96eclipse]

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/DSCF0610.jpg
Opps



What it looked like when i got it. Well i washed it first.
http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/1-1.jpg
Latest pik.
http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/GetAttachment.jpg

[Beans]

did you buy that from a kid named arron?

[96eclipse]

No i dont think so.

[CamaroKITT]

whatt!!!! you should know
not think it not

[96eclipse]

I bought it from a guy named Ray. I have no clue who owned it before.

[96eclipse]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180479410020&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Found a good deal on pistons a rods. Hopefully there still there when i get paid.

[Johnny]

holy ****, hahaha, why in the world would you put all this money in it, when you could sell it sell your parts and buy one thats already turbo'd from the factory, will always be faster than what you have, and wont blow up AS quick.

[96eclipse]

holy ****, hahaha, why in the world would you put all this money in it, when you could sell it sell your parts and buy one thats already turbo'd from the factory, will always be faster than what you have, and wont blow up AS quick.

It would blow up faster. How many unmolested turbo dsm's are there. My car already has a new tranny. I have all the turbo parts already and all i have left is a engine rebuild. Stock 420a pistons go for $120 a piece not including rods. They are also only good to the 250 range. All parts are cheaper for the 2.4 like water pump, oil pumps ect. And the srt-4 internals will handle quite a lot of abuse. Srt 4 on here has the same build on his turbo'd neon and he's at what 350hp now?

[slojeep]

so much work to run...14s. i mean good job putting it all together and having the knoledge but my tsi awd with just exhaust will probably beat you and i bought mine for 1700 and its in better condition than your eclipse...

[96eclipse]

Ill slap a junkyard motor in and come to lincoln. May be a couple months but lets run them.

O and you might like this
http://www.streetfire.net/video/fastest-420a-dsm-with-completely-stock-motor_34607.htm

[Beans]

Ill slap a junkyard motor in and come to lincoln. May be a couple months but lets run them.

O and you might like this
http://www.streetfire.net/video/fastest-420a-dsm-with-completely-stock-motor_34607.htm

ill run you in my stock motor and tranny dsm too!!

[96eclipse]

K sounds sounds good. Now i just need to feel like working on the damn thing.

[96eclipse]

Well im hoping to get a motor in the next couple weeks. Got a real garret turbo instead of the ebay crap. also got a set a dsm 450's

[Burntz]

so much work to run...14s. i mean good job putting it all together and having the knoledge but my tsi awd with just exhaust will probably beat you and i bought mine for 1700 and its in better condition than your eclipse...

you bought it for 1800, and its still a 14 second car.

[Preston]

This has been a project for three years and it still looks like that? Sweet.

[Cobra Commander]

Oh ****, a 420A turbo build? Hahaha

[talon2008]

HAHAHHAHAHAH mid 12's is the FASTEST stock block 420-a? Ugly, stm going LOW LOW LOW 10's on 7 bolts with VERY mild cams.

[96eclipse]

Well considering they dont come with factory forged internals like the 4g. ANd 12s are the record for na. I believe elevens is the record for turbo on stock block at 17psi. But dont post if you are just gona say 420a suck. There alit better then most think.

[Beans]

HAHAHHAHAHAH mid 12's is the FASTEST stock block 420-a? Ugly, stm going LOW LOW LOW 10's on 7 bolts with VERY mild cams.
haha and what is the fastest you have ran? But yeah 420a's really do suck.

[96eclipse]

Not that anyone cares but i finally decided to work on the car a again. I rebuilt the head and im waiting to get the crank turned So i can finish building the motor.

[KyleT]

Not that anyone cares but i finally decided to work on the car a again. I rebuilt the head and im waiting to get the crank turned So i can finish building the motor.

No 4G63. No care.

[KyleJ]

It's a good project, keep it up.

[EvanE]

No 4G63. No care.

4G63 FTW!

[96eclipse]

It's a good project, keep it up.

Thanks.. good to know not everyone on scr is no ls1, 4g63, or carborator no care.

[96eclipse]

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/engine21.jpg
Pistons before and after.

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/engine3.jpg

Its not acually put together just set the head on to see what it looks like.

[millertime]

It's a good project, keep it up.

Thanks.. good to know not everyone on scr is no ls1, 4g63, or carborator no care.

hey now... I like my rotary, and there are a few nuts that like 32v's

[96eclipse]

There's alot of good guys on scr. Just all the 4g63 owners get all defensive when a 420a is getting built. 420as arnt shitty motors just don't get as much attention.

[KyleJ]

There's good reason for that, but I can respect doing something different. Specs on the ebay turbo? What kinda flange?

[96eclipse]

Well I keep buying and selling them. I had a tdo5h 16g. Sold it for 300. Then bought a eBay t3t4 .63ar and traded that for a t3 flanged t25 dsm450s and a blox fmu then sold that for 60. But so far I have spent maybe 300 on all my turbo parts. I do need a 255, Fdc, and a 38mm wastgate. The rebuild I'm at 300. I'm Gona break it in without boost.

[millertime]

god I wish I could use a 38mm wastegate, they're everywhere and cheap...

[4g63thompson]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs122.snc1/5253_151171051977_517636977_3434928_2887815_n.jpg

boosted 420a's are legit, yes i blew mine up after a while but i rebuilt it n boosted again

[96eclipse]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs122.snc1/5253_151171051977_517636977_3434928_2887815_n.jpg

boosted 420a's are legit, yes i blew mine up after a while but i rebuilt it n boosted again

Ya there great motors but since the 420a's dont come with forged internals we have to build the motor sooner then what a 4g63 owner would.

[c0z]

Why exactly are they "great motors"?

[Beans]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs122.snc1/5253_151171051977_517636977_3434928_2887815_n.jpg

boosted 420a's are legit, yes i blew mine up after a while but i rebuilt it n boosted again

Ya there great motors but since the 420a's dont come with forged internals we have to build the motor sooner then what a 4g63 owner would.

WTF 4g63ts didnt come with forged internals??????????????????:rolleye:

[96eclipse]

The head on the 420'a was designed for lotus. It was used on lotus cars and flows more air then your 4g63 head. The block was designed originaly for a truck as a 2.4 but was then used in stratus's ect. The block are identical besides a few minor details and has a shorter stroke. It is also a semi open decked design. So they cool better then the 4g63 but are still stable at high rpms. The block utilizes a bedplate instead of a individual main caps which also helps vibration.

And

420a standard bore 3.445in

4g63 standard bore 3.350in
.020 over bore 3.370 in
.040 over bore 3.390 in
.060 over bore 3.410 in (still .035in smaller than a stock 420a bore)

[Beans]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs122.snc1/5253_151171051977_517636977_3434928_2887815_n.jpg

boosted 420a's are legit, yes i blew mine up after a while but i rebuilt it n boosted again

Ya there great motors but since the 420a's dont come with forged internals we have to build the motor sooner then what a 4g63 owner would.

WTF 4g63ts didnt come with forged internals??????????????????:rolleye:

[Maas]

Lets see some flow numbers comparing 420 and 4g63 heads.
There is no way that god would ever let a 420a outflow a 4g63. Ever.

[Maas]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs122.snc1/5253_151171051977_517636977_3434928_2887815_n.jpg

boosted 420a's are legit, yes i blew mine up after a while but i rebuilt it n boosted again

Ya there great motors but since the 420a's dont come with forged internals we have to build the motor sooner then what a 4g63 owner would.

WTF 4g63ts didnt come with forged internals??????????????????:rolleye:

[Yngvar]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs122.snc1/5253_151171051977_517636977_3434928_2887815_n.jpg

boosted 420a's are legit, yes i blew mine up after a while but i rebuilt it n boosted again

Ya there great motors but since the 420a's dont come with forged internals we have to build the motor sooner then what a 4g63 owner would.

WTF 4g63ts didnt come with forged internals??????????????????:rolleye:

[Burntz]

Well I keep buying and selling them. I had a tdo5h 16g. Sold it for 300. Then bought a eBay t3t4 .63ar and traded that for a t3 flanged t25 dsm450s and a blox fmu then sold that for 60. But so far I have spent maybe 300 on all my turbo parts. I do need a 255, Fdc, and a 38mm wastgate. The rebuild I'm at 300. I'm Gona break it in without boost.

why do you need a 255? Guarantee a 190 would be more then enough

[96eclipse]

4g63
intake
.100 lift : 78.44 cfm
.200 lift : 149.94 cfm
.300 lift : 204.33 cfm
.350 lift : 217.56 cfm
.400 lift : 224.91 cfm

exhaust
.100 lift : 84.42 cfm
.200 lift : 170.2 cfm
.300 lift : 204.88 cfm
.350 lift : 206.45 cfm


420a.
intake
.1 lift : 96 cfm
.2 lift : 174 cfm
.3 lift : 230 cfm
.367 lift : 243 cfm

exhaust
.1 lift : 86 cfm
.2 lift : 153 cfm
.3 lift : 174 cfm
.367 lift : 175 cfm

[Beans]

so why do you keep ignoring my post, since when did 4g63s come with forged internals?????/????????

[96eclipse]

They came with internals designed to handle boost. There not forged but the 420's came with shitty powdered metal internals. The 4g63 is a great motor. Its proven itself over and over again. All im saying is the 420's arnt complete peices of ****.

[Maas]

Pretty sure the NA 4g63, and the 4g63t ports and flow numbers are different.

[Maas]

Unless the numbers you posted were infact 4g63t numbers.

[96eclipse]

Im pretty sure thats the 4g63t. If not correct me.

[Maas]

Idk, unless heads are flowed on the same bench, it's really not an apples to apples comparison because each bench can be different.. I just refuse to believe that a 420a outflows a 4g63.

[96eclipse]

Ya the numbers also very from head to head. Im not saying my car will be faster then the 4g63s on here. You guys are damn good with you cars and have some nice setups. But i started this project and im going to finish it. Im hoping for some decent power but we will see what happens. I would just appreciate if the 4g guys would stop giving me ****.

[Maas]

Lol I think the only way that'll happen is when this car is seen in action, so get to work :Thumb:

[96eclipse]

Lol I think the only way that'll happen is when this car is seen in action, so get to work :Thumb:

I will when i get some cash. I also plan on comming down for the next get together once its running.

[96eclipse]

Well got the next moth off of work so i've been making some progress. Got the crank turned .25 over on both main and rods. Got the bearings and crank in and bolted down and now finishing pulling out the old block to use the pistons, oil pump, water pump, timing components ect. Having a little trouble since i am pulling out the block by hand.

[96eclipse]

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx346/Bugeater281/0_IMAG0070.jpg

[96eclipse]

So far got 3 of the 4 pistons in and and thats it for the bottom end. the head i rebuilt a couple months ago so it should be done here soon

[96eclipse]

Well had more issues. These heads are known for the cam caps stripping out. I drilled it out and started tapping it and the cam journal cracked. So im in the prossess of getting a new head.

[96eclipse]

Well I finaly worked on the dam car. Got the tranny out and I'm starting a wire tuck.

[96eclipse]

RAve...motor is done. just finished timing it. wire tuck is done. Ill be adding mounts intake on tonight and hope to have it put in by next weekend.

[EvanE]

RAve...motor is done. just finished timing it. wire tuck is done. Ill be adding mounts intake on tonight and hope to have it put in by next weekend.

finish it tonight...

[96eclipse]

If i had help it would be...but after the tuck the wires are gona be a puzzle, stupid me didn't mark them.... and i don't have an engine hoist...just a come along and a ceiling....

[96eclipse]

Motors in. clutch and flywheel are done. hoping to have the tranny in tonite and start her up.

[96eclipse]

It runs. stared up with no issues. even with year old gas.