WL : 95 awd tsi

[talon2008]

Well, as you can see the car I have been building for about 2 years is finally coming pretty close to being done.

To Do List:

Extend Injector plug wires~

Welding Sublist
Weld an fittings on fuel rail
Weld -10 bung into oil pan
Finish welding manifold up
Weld 3.5" exhaust to v-band flange
Weld an fittings on valve cover for catch can

Get IC piping bent ~

Finish shaving/polishing valve cover - no longer the blue

Finish bulkhead fitting for sending unit and buy bosch 044 to an fittings

Install full SS clutch line (whoops when pulling motor)

Oil feed/return finish up

Finish installing oil pressure gauge off head

Install push button start (whoops when doing wire tuck)

Now for a little explanation of pictures - The wires you see in the pictures are the wires you see in the completed project. There was many many hours spent chopping out all un necessary sensors/wires from both the firewall and accessory harnesses.

Manifold is just tacked up so far waiting to be tigged up.

Hope you enjoy - Only parts im waiting on are clutch line/oil feed/ bosch to an fittings but all 3 are in the mail from extremepsi (ordered december 17th and still not here )

Also if you are looking for an extremely clean look I advise fuse box relocation/alt relocation/ps removal and front driver side exit exhaust!

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/1224090027.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/1224090026b.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/1224090026a.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/1224090026.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/1224090025.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/turbo.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/boschy.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/new%20motor/vcoff.jpg

[millertime]

support brace for the turbo?
looks good, pictures of the whole car?
I've kinda followed flawless's build on NESS, and his is pretty good too, do you go to milford with him?

[talon2008]

Yea, I went to milford with him, as a matter of fact he was there to help me drop this motor in ha. Anyways, the manifold will be supported from the driver side with a bracket that will sit where my ps/alternator was. (open for design ideas, because i will be having a 3.5 inch side exit exhaust in the way. Almost starting to think that im going to need something on the passenger side to fill the space so it doesnt look to bare. Only thing that will be there that is not is the ic piping that ima fab up and the tial 50mm will be mounted under the bumper cover for a clean look. With the fuse box relocation and battery relocation it almost looks like its missing something.

[Kelvin]

i thought you said this thing was gonna start on friday?

[Yngvar]

Our you running delta regrinds?

[talon2008]

Negative on the delta regrinds, still kicking myself in the ass on the BC272's though. Bought them when I was almost out of money and now im wishing I wouldve spent the money on Kelfords. And Kelvin this could VERY easily could have been "running" on friday. Thursday we got flawlesstsi aka mike's car running and friday I couldve started it with ease. (thrown on my old ic piping and stock 2g manifold with mitsu to t3 adaptor) but whats the sense in half assing it when in 2-3 weeks longer I can do it once and not have to touch it again for awhile.

[EvanE]

:woot: Kelfords FTW! :woot:

[Kelvin]

well when youre done, hopefully you can keep up.

[EvanE]

^tis true

[talon2008]

Not gonna be a problem I dont think. Ha. Shooting for 34-35 on 93/100% 14 gal/min nozzle meth.

[Yngvar]

You know he will be running a HX-55

[talon2008]

Not saying anything about his setup....Just saying big turbo like that sometimes isnt all its cracked out to be. Look at the compressor map of it. It laughs at basically all boost below 40 psi. Sure it looks good on paper but how it will really work? IDK. Hell Im not even sure this hx40 with 8 blade and 60mm inducer will be work a damn. I do know they dont wake up till around 33-34 psi. Basically a joke unless you plan on working it.

[Kelvin]

ah **** i was only gonna run 20psi. good thing i got a 5 bar map sensor

[talon2008]

Ha you chasing John Sheppard or what? There is a guy in Pennsylvania running 10.6's on 18 psi...

[Kelvin]

and theres a 16g auto running 10.6s. whats the point?

[talon2008]

You just strengthened my point. 16g going 10.6s... With any kind of boost and supporting mods with extreme suspension mods you will be ripping beyond belief. At least for 1 or 2 passes then it will be the typical dsm and break.

[Kelvin]

so why arent you using a 16g?

[BOORAH]

TIC

[BOORAH]

TOC

[talon2008]

HX40 makes it easier to hit that 10.6, not to mind you that an hx40 setup is <= price of a 16g :p

[EvanE]

HX40 makes it easier to hit that 10.6, not to mind you that an hx40 setup is <= price of a 16g :p

cheap ass

[flawlessTSI]

nice. hurry up and get it done. lmk when you going start it up so i can be there.

and i hope it dont break, i wana race someone that can atleast keep up to me.

[talon2008]

HX40 makes it easier to hit that 10.6, not to mind you that an hx40 setup is <= price of a 16g :p

cheap ass

Cheap ass.....come on money bags, you talk and talk about money like its going out of style....You should be in the 9's by now as much as you talk about how cheap I am.... Let me know when you step up your game and buy a 4200$ transmission and 1200$ t-case. I know im broke, no job anymore and no more financial aid loans. Glad I only have minor **** to buy now. BFG DR2s, DSS driveshaft, and some dss axles. Of course ill buy them used and that will be wrong according to you to.

Mike ill try and get your video on youtube quick. Ill pm you link when I get it up.

[EvanE]

HX40 makes it easier to hit that 10.6, not to mind you that an hx40 setup is <= price of a 16g :p

cheap ass

Cheap ass.....come on money bags, you talk and talk about money like its going out of style....You should be in the 9's by now as much as you talk about how cheap I am.... Let me know when you step up your game and buy a 4200$ transmission and 1200$ t-case. I know im broke, no job anymore and no more financial aid loans. Glad I only have minor **** to buy now. BFG DR2s, DSS driveshaft, and some dss axles. Of course ill buy them used and that will be wrong according to you to.

Mike ill try and get your video on youtube quick. Ill pm you link when I get it up.

well good thing i bought a purpose build car from the factory....the factory t-case and axles have been used to run 8's on buschurs drag car and the stock tranny will hold 500+whp plus i can buy sheps 900$ upgrade and have a transmission that can support 8's :)

[KyleJ]

The difference between Evo's and DSM's...

DSM's DO NOT run for more than one 1/4 mile at a time.

[talon2008]

Good thing you paid 3 x's what I did for the actual car :) good try though

"The difference between Evo's and DSM's...

DSM's run for more than one 1/4 mile at a time."

Agreed....and it cost a hell of alot more to replace "Evo" parts because your paying for a name.

[EvanE]

The difference between Evo's and DSM's...

DSM's DO NOT run for more than one 1/4 mile at a time.

fixed...

[KyleJ]

I don't know when this dude will figure it out...

NO ONE CARES!

[EvanE]

Good thing you paid 3 x's what I did for the actual car :) good try though

hmmm well i paid 16,500 for my evo put down 2,500 so only had a loan for 14,000.... a year and 4 months later i only owe 7,000 thats pretty good right? and one thing i think is a fun fact the old lady i bought it from...she cosigned for her daughters fiance and he bought it for 24,000 with 48k miles drove it for 14k miles and they decided to split up and he stopped making payments so this kind old lady took the car and it sat while she paid 5,000$ of payments and it finally sold to me for 16,500 :)

[EvanE]

I don't know when this dude will figure it out...

NO ONE CARES!

haha....oh be nice kylej he wants to brag about his super sweet talon with a uberly huge hx40 turbo thats going to be super duper fast when its done....

[talon2008]

And Evan wants to TALK about how someday his evo MIGHT be fast, You got joy out of beating a scooby with no 3rd gear?

[EvanE]

And Evan wants to TALK about how someday his evo MIGHT be fast, You got joy out of beating a scooby with no 3rd gear?

baby steps

[Kelvin]

i spent alot of money on my car. more than what evan paid for his car.

[EvanE]

i spent alot of money on my car. more than what evan paid for his car.

:ohnoes:

kelvin, i ♥ you

[talon2008]

Not talking **** on people that spend alot of money. Makes no sense to me why its such a terrible idea to buy used parts for half the price of new that are still in good shape? I dont think thats being cheap i think its being smart.

[EvanE]

i like buying new parts :)...might be more money but! its brand new and you know you won't get screwed over with bad parts or for whatever other reason

[flawlessTSI]

who cares on how much you two spend ha, or got new or used parts. as long as it runs!

i spend about 6000 on my car thats includeing the price of the car.
and everything on my car was bought used minus the motor and trans internals.

[blubryyum]

CHEAP ****

[EvanE]

CHEAP ****

:ohnoes: see i knew i wasn't lying

[EvanE]

i just know you guys are gonna be pissed when my 35r evo beats BOTH OF YOU! HA!

[b18crx]

35r huh??? sounds fun

[Kelvin]

the only used piece i have is the tranny and whatever i leave on the car. everything else is brand new never used. yo dog.....7k engine.....2k tranny.....11k worth of **** $1200 car ROFL

[EvanE]

35r huh??? sounds fun

oh yeah! not a GT series tho HTA from Forced performance! muy bueno

[EvanE]

the only used piece i have is the tranny and whatever i leave on the car. everything else is brand new never used. yo dog.....7k engine.....2k tranny.....11k worth of **** $1200 car ROFL

it's all good

[flawlessTSI]

i just know you guys are gonna be pissed when my 35r evo beats BOTH OF YOU! HA!

ha rite... i cant wait tho. it will be a fun race.:Thumb:

[talon2008]

good thing mike has a hta 37r and huge stall ha

[b18crx]

35r huh??? sounds fun

oh yeah! not a GT series tho HTA from Forced performance! muy bueno

I can has a ride? I was fairly impressed when i rode in it before

[flawlessTSI]

good thing mike has a hta 37r and huge stall ha

shhhhhhhhhhhh :)

[EvanE]

i just know you guys are gonna be pissed when my 35r evo beats BOTH OF YOU! HA!

ha rite... i cant wait tho. it will be a fun race.:Thumb:

oh fun for sure!!!!

good thing mike has a hta 37r and huge stall ha

oh damn! good choice on the hta :)

35r huh??? sounds fun

oh yeah! not a GT series tho HTA from Forced performance! muy bueno

I can has a ride? I was fairly impressed when i rode in it before

yes you may....it should be pretty fun this summer even tho it won't have a 35r yet

[b18crx]

......no 35?...... :(

[blubryyum]

HA cheap ****!

[EvanE]

......no 35?...... :(

haha theres a possibility i might have a 35r by summer

[flawlessTSI]

HA cheap ****!

yea? we herd u the first time. your cool...

[flawlessTSI]

......no 35?...... :(

haha theres a possibility i might have a 35r by summer


hurry up!

[b18crx]

HA cheap ****!



yea? we herd u the first time. your cool...


i think that was directed towards evane

[talon2008]

HA cheap ****!

yea? we herd u the first time. your cool...


+1

[EvanE]

......no 35?...... :(

haha theres a possibility i might have a 35r by summer


hurry up!

dood im trying!

HA cheap ****!



yea? we herd u the first time. your cool...


i think that was directed towards evane

it was...

HA cheap ****!

yea? we herd u the first time. your cool...


+1

god derick! your such an ass

[flawlessTSI]

dericks sexi beast!
http://i45.tinypic.com/oh5x50.jpg

[b18crx]

why the pic?

[flawlessTSI]

why the pic?

someone on the first page asked for it.

[EvanE]

why the pic?

yeah why?

[millertime]

hello ugly rims!

[talon2008]

ha they been sitting in that garage for like 2 years....here is a picture of them all cleaned up.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/srpic.jpg

[b18crx]

........

[93DEESEM]

ha they been sitting in that garage for like 2 years....here is a picture of them all cleaned up.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/srpic.jpg

wow stud ****ing muffin :eek:

[93DEESEM]

shoulda spent that $4200 or whatever you spent on your tranny on a new wardrobe, ***

[b18crx]

So why was the first pic posted?

[talon2008]

talk talk talk talk talk.....just keep talking.

[93DEESEM]

tee hee of course i'm going to, its kinda fun

[KyleJ]

I like the car, but I think it's funny how hard you are trying to impress people. Walk softly and carry a big stick. Talk **** when it's out on the street raping people, not in your garage in pieces.

[KyleJ]

Unless your bench racing, but there is a fine line between **** talking and bench racing.

[b18crx]

there is a fine line between **** talking and bench racing.

very true

[Kelvin]

faggots FAGGOTS FAGGOTS

[talon2008]

I like the car, but I think it's funny how hard you are trying to impress people. Walk softly and carry a big stick. Talk **** when it's out on the street raping people, not in your garage in pieces.

Wouldn't call it talking ****... would call it alot of money, blood, sweat, and time. I do not know many 16-17 year olds that would be willing to dump money into a car they got dicked over on... If I knew half of what I know about dsm's when I bought the car as I did now I would have NEVER paid what I paid for the car, and im not sure if hes a member on here on not but Jesse Bruno of Omaha is a POS. Just throwing that out there. Not sure how anyone else on here is, but when I sell an item I describe it accurately and if the buyer is clueless about the item I have no problem explaining if/what is wrong with the item. I guess its because I bought the car when I was 15 and the previous owner put what he calls a "paintjob" on the car and threw a half ass tune on it so it would run and put a rediculous price tag on it.

I dont think its right to sell an item (car or part or whatever your selling) without describing the faults in it or deny the problem if the buyer ask's about it. I have given many parts for free to people and probably will continue to do so, but some people are jack ass even after you give them parts and bash your ride after you do so. Shainesboostin, never met the guy but he needed a battery tray so I helped the guy out. Flawlesstsi, gave him many parts and hes returned the favor. I guess that's what I see being legit.
Maybe you can call it pride? im actually not sure... sure's the hell wouldnt call it talking **** and Evan knows that. I know that he knows I respect his setup ha!!! Jealous? Maybe, but I owe him more for the setup I have than anything for introducing me to a guy in Hasting's that gave inspiration to build the car. Call it what you want I guess, soon it will hopefully be able to gain respect with the pedal not the talk.


oh, did I mention Bruno's shop in Omaha does half ass ****?

[93DEESEM]

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2576/bruno1z.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/bruno1z.jpg/)

[millertime]

which shop?

[talon2008]

Been awhile but im pretty sure they just called themselves Brunos AutoWorks. They have a webite and all... but I kept the car in a garage the entire first year after it was bought and all the paint around the fender edges/door jams/door handle/sunroof/and edge of spoiler all started to peel within 6 months of owning the car.

[Black ss]

Brunos off of 132nd st.?

[talon2008]

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=brunos+autoworks&fb=1&gl=us&hq=brunos+autoworks&hnear=Lincoln,+NE&cid=0,0,925380116824307961&ei=GTFGS8PfHI2VtgfBrMDoAQ&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQnwIwAA


There it is... guy took me on a ride, I guess when someone says they rebuild a motor you should ask them how much experience they have had doing so. Take 2 of the 3 crank pulley bolts off with your hand is kinda scary. "Evo3" manifold was actually just a 2g. E316GT turbo ported and clipped...the only porting it had done on it was the wheel digging into the housing. But it pulled decent and blew off loud...What else would a 15 year old want? HA!!

[talon2008]

nvm

[talon2008]

To Do List:

Extend Injector plug wires~ Complete!

Welding Sublist
Weld an fittings on fuel rail
Weld -10 bung into oil pan ~ Complete!
Finish welding manifold up ~ Complete!
Weld 3.5" exhaust to v-band flange
Weld an fittings on valve cover for catch can

Get IC piping bent ~~ Complete!

Finish bulkhead fitting for sending unit and buy bosch 044 to an fittings-- Bought fittings but also bought 4 gallon summit fuel cell. so need for sending unit anymore

Install full SS clutch line (whoops when pulling motor) ~ Complete!

Oil feed/return finish up ~ Complete!

Finish installing oil pressure gauge off head 50%

Install push button start (whoops when doing wire tuck) ~ Complete!



Additions to list -
remove -6an feed line and put in -8an http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FRA-810008/ stupid cheap!

finish cutting out rear half of cars floor and weld in sheetmetal with 2 pieces of rebar for battery/fuel cell to sit on.

finish cutting out dash

install kirkey aluminum seat

weld in bov flange for tial 50mm

wait for t3 to t3 with wastegate provision adapter to come in mail. --new manifold in previous post runner hits the turbo cover so need a spacer.

[talon2008]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/bestmani.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/mani1.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/mani2.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/mani4.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/mani5.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/thegreat08/mani6.jpg

[flawlessTSI]

nicee. hurry up and get it done.

[talon2008]

Welp, the black shell is no longer the shell all these internals will be squished into.... Going to be crushed tomorrow am as im picking up a new shell tonight. Hopefully it wont take long to just swap the motor/trans/suspension. (and try to get the new fatty tires to fit :(

[flawlessTSI]

pics of new shell.

[EvanE]

why are you crushing the shell?! what was wrong with it?

[Yngvar]

why are you crushing the shell?! what was wrong with it?

x2

[GC8U]

Looks like a pretty decent build.

As far as used/new parts, I will say this. You just got done complaining how you got completely ****ed on your car by not trusting someone, that sentence alone should tell you why it's always more convenient to buy new parts. Sure, when you buy something new, there's always a chance of them sending you the wrong part, longer than expected shipping but, I know I'm getting a quality part that is brand new and hasn't been beat on. This obviously doesn't cover ALL parts that you buy.

Just my 2 cents.

[talon2008]

New car is running, just to test wiring harness. My motor/trans setup will be going in the panda tomorrow. So, basically if anyone wants to buy a running 7 bolt let me know and I can take a video of it running. Maf translator and 1050 injectors are not a very lovely combination tho....basically it runs like dog ****!

Crushing the shell due to lack of space to put it. Im going to strip it of everything absolute I could possibly need, all suspension, doors...ect.

Plans for the sunburnt panda are to paint it in the VERY near future...using black hood/hatch off my old talon to complete the look of the panda.

[flawlessTSI]

wana trade your 1050s for my 950s????

[Beans]

whole bunch of slow in this thread.

[talon2008]

Guess we will have to see..... July 10th come to St Paul for GCA Days - car show/drag races and we will just have a look at how fast you are :S

[talon2008]

Car has officially started and ran to operating temp! Got most everything out of old shell and into the new panda and started....gonna put my new rim/tire combo on the rear and giver hell on friday night hopefully. See how many psi we can squeeze out of the little turd before it blows up!

[talon2008]

Welp got the car running/idling/cruising....no WOT yet. MAFT with link was the biggest pain in the ass ive ever seen in my life. Getting the maf calibrated with link was a trick in its own...Honestly its still not 100% on. Every time I take it out the fuel trims are different. Not sure if its due to weather or what, but its pissing me off.

Pretty satisfied with everything on the car so far accept the alt relocation... I bought "Po-Boys" some pos homemade alt relocation kit and supposedly fits all 2g cars but it rubs the strut tower wall real real bad.

Another thing I can say about the holset it that anyone who doubted the spool time of it, you better rethink yourself. I been trying to dial in the maf with maybe 20-30% throttle max and keeping it around 2-3k rpms and around 2500 it feels like it wants to take off, even at -4/-2 psi of vacuum.

Ill be posting a few logs up tomorrow for anyone with Link to look at and critique. Maybe help me figure out if im doing something wrong.

[talon2008]

Welp, Im pretty new at dsmlink but I have gotten my car running pretty decent idle/cruise tune. (idle is really sketch) Was just going to post it up and see if anyone could give me some advice. I was cruising between 2-3k rpms through all gears with stft hovering around 0% -/+ 5%. The ending ltft mid ended up being 1.6% but the ltftlo is dogshit at like 8% if i member correct (check log to verify). To get the fuel trims I did I basically just set the globals to -58/495 (what others had luck with on these fics) and used the MafComp 50 and 150 sliders to get where I needed to be cruising.

Thanks and appreciate any advice I can get from you guys!

Cant attach files on here so here is link and tuners links that have the logs on.

http://dsmlink.com/forums/showthread.php?p=423041#post423041

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/373743-fic-1050-first-log.html#post152238903

[talon2008]

Welp, Im pretty new at dsmlink but I have gotten my car running pretty decent idle/cruise tune. (idle is really sketch) Was just going to post it up and see if anyone could give me some advice. I was cruising between 2-3k rpms through all gears with stft hovering around 0% -/+ 5%. The ending ltft mid ended up being 1.6% but the ltftlo is dogshit at like 8% if i member correct (check log to verify). To get the fuel trims I did I basically just set the globals to -58/495 (what others had luck with on these fics) and used the MafComp 50 and 150 sliders to get where I needed to be cruising.

Thanks and appreciate any advice I can get from you guys!

Cant attach files on here so here is link and tuners links that have the logs on.

http://dsmlink.com/forums/showthread.php?p=423041#post423041

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/373743-fic-1050-first-log.html#post152238903

[93DEESEM]

It wasnt good enough at 5 oclock so you had to post again at 7:37?

[talon2008]

It wasnt good enough at 5 oclock so you had to post again at 7:37?

You are a stupid mother ****er.

Already figured out what was wrong with tune so dont need your stupid ass comments.

[flawlessTSI]

nice derrick. did you the maft working rite. did you zero out the maft. so link can do all the work?

[talon2008]

Indeed Mike, 4 aux and 2 on base is the setup for stock 450s. I still need to setup the 50 mhz slider so that the idle is not lean as **** like it currently is... Turns out DSMLink with maft not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I can already tell the thing gonna feel like a 747 taking off when its getting ready to spool, but im yet to hit any boost..

[millertime]

It wasnt good enough at 5 oclock so you had to post again at 7:37?

You are a stupid mother ****er.

Already figured out what was wrong with tune so dont need your stupid ass comments.

you're a stupid mother ****er for double posting two and a half hours apart.

[Burntz]

(This guide is exactly what the title implies, a basic guide to tuning. It is not intended to teach you, or tell you, everything needed to tune a DSM. Research will be required to fully understand the terms, values, and procedures below. With that said, the people involved with any and all aspects of this guide are NOT responsible for ANY damage done to your car.)

Written and edited by: Shane2GSX and NickNorth11


Before You Start:
• Verify that Base Timing is correct
• Verify that Base Fuel Pressure is correct (1g manual = 37 psi; 1g auto = 43.5; 2g = 43.5 psi)
• Verify that there are no boost leaks
• Ensure all other components are working correctly
• Swap plug wires to account for different CAS (97-99)

Approximation of desired values: (Some of these must be obtained manually and some via DSMLink. Others are simply values to monitor and keep within given parameters.)
•A/F Ratio (closed loop) 14.7
(open loop) 11
•AirFlow (compare to specific turbo output)
•AirFlowPerRev (at idle) M/T = .27 10% (.24 - .30)
A/T (neutral) = same as M/T
(drive) = .31 10% (.28 - .34)
•CoolTmp x>179°, sufficient operating temp. to tune
if: x<206°, full timing
206°<224°, -1°
x>224°, -2°
•IdleSw (car off / ecu on) 1
•IntTemp (34°< x <84)
•ISCPosition 30 (at idle)
•LearnedIdleAdj 140 (at idle)
•LTFT Lo x→0, (0 5)
•LTFT Mid x→o, (0 5)
•Front02 cycles around .5 (.05-.95)
•RawThrotPos 32
•ThrotPos if: idle, 0
WOT, 100
•TPSvolts .63 (when RawThrotPos = 32)


Setting Initial Parameters:
1. Setup wideband operation within dsmlink.
2. If needed, change BoostEst to your respective engine size. (2.0L, 2.3L)
3. Set the A/F Ratio prefs for your injectors.
4. If base timing is off, adjust timing sliders across the board to compensate. (if 3, add 2)
5. If needed, cancel out any CEL’s due to already known causes. (such as rear O2)
6. For safety and if desired, set Knock CEL to 3 degrees knock.
7. Set global and dead time parameters according to specifications for injectors.
8. Set desired values to be logged.


Closed Loop Tuning (Cruise/Idle):
1. Setup DSMLink to Log the following (if available):
a. TPS
b. STFT
c. LTFT Lo
d. LTFT Mid (2G) or LTFT Hi (1G)
e. MAFRaw
f. Wideband
g. Boost sensor (GM 3 bar, AEM, etc.)
2. Turn on vehicle and let warm properly.
3. Drive normally, cruising for at least 10 minutes - Do not go WOT
4. Let car idle for 5 minute before shutting it off - Stop logging
5. Choose your method of closed loop tuning by determining first if AirflowPerRev is at an acceptable value at idle. If AirflowPerRev is not acceptable, begin tuning using Method 1 until it is at an acceptable value. If AirflowPerRev is acceptable, proceed to Method 2.

Method 1 – Airflow Metering:
1. Turn on vehicle and let warm properly.
2. Begin logging. Drive normally, cruising for at least 10 minutes - Do not go WOT
3. Let car idle for 5 minute before shutting it off - Stop logging
4. Compare LTFT for idle (Lo) and cruise (Mid) operations – Strive to get as close to 0% as possible.
5. If either is greater than +/- 5 from 0%, proceed to step 6. If not, and your happy with your %, you may stop.
6. If LTFT Lo is negative, decrease the 50 Hz slider in the amount of that value. (i.e. If LTFT Lo is -10%, decrease the 50 Hz slider from 0% to -10%).
7. If LTFT Mid is positive, increase the 150 Hz slider in the amount of that value. (i.e. If LTFT Mid is 10%, increase the 150 Hz slider from 0% to 10%).
Or: (From method 1) If LTFT Lo is greater than LTFT Mid, increase dead time. If LTFT Lo is less then LTFT Mid, decrease dead time.
8. If adjustments are made, return to step 1.

Method 2 – Fuel Delivery:
1. Turn on vehicle and let warm properly.
2. Begin logging. Drive normally, cruising for at least 10 minutes - Do not go WOT
3. Let car idle for 5 minute before shutting it off - Stop logging
4. Compare LTFT for idle (Lo) and cruise (Mid) operations – Strive to get as close to 0% as possible.
5. If either is greater than +/- 5 from 0%, proceed to step 6. If not, and your happy with your %, you may stop.
6. If LTFT Lo is greater than LTFT Mid, increase dead time. If LTFT Lo is less then LTFT Mid, decrease dead time.
7. If LTFT Lo and LTFT Mid are equal but non-zero, adjust global setting.
8. If adjustments are made, return to step 1.


Open Loop Tuning (WOT) Fuel & Timing:
1. Choose a desired fuel/octane level.
2. Choose a desired boost level that you want to run. Dial your boost in at a lower boost setting to begin with, depending on turbo size, probably no more than 1 bar.
(An alternate to the previous method is to start at your target boost level with conservative settings, i.e. low timing and rich mixture. Make a few pulls before tuning to ensure safe operation before continuing with this method).
3. Choose a proper A/F Ratio to shoot for in the entire RPM range – Some common A/F ratios are 10:1, 10.5:1, 11:1, 11.3:1, 11.5:1. The proper A/F ratio will depend on your specific vehicle and its setup. While there are too many variables to list when determining a proper A/FR, some of the common ones are fuel octane, intercooler efficiency, and turbo size. In most cases, on a properly running DSM, on pump gas with an efficient intercooler, an 11:1 A/FR is a common and safe ratio to make good power with.
4. Ensure that all values you want to log are set. (The following are recommended).
a. Wideband
b. Boost sensor
c. EGT
5. After warming the car properly (warm car, drive at cruise for 10 min., idle for 5 min.), data log a 3rd gear pull from 2000 RPM to redline. Keep a very close eye on Knock, A/FR, and EGT’s for anything that might spell trouble.
• If you see ANY Knock, increase fuel sliders. If A/FR is already richer than your target, reduce timing by a degree instead of increasing fuel.
• If no Knock is present and your A/FR is leaner than your target, increase fuel to desired level. If A/FR is richer than your target, and you’re at your target boost PSI, decrease fuel.
6. Allow car to cool down between runs. (Number of runs between cool down periods will be dependant on intercooler efficiency and boost level, among other things. Not doing this will result in inconsistent results).
7. Continue logging runs in this manner until you reach your target A/FR with no Knock.
8. Once you reach your target A/FR with no knock, raise boost by 5 PSI or less. Repeat steps 5 through 7 until you reach your target boost PSI.
9. Once you’ve reached your target boost PSI and desired A/FR with no knock, increase timing by one degree and log another 3rd gear pull from 2000 RPM to redline. Again, keep a close eye on Knock, A/FR, and EGT’s.
10. Repeat step 8 until you see one degree of knock retard. At that point, reduce timing by one degree. (Aim for high teens to low 20s for timing advance. Higher is better.)
11. Finally, do a full run from 1st through 4th gear, watching Knock, A/FR, EGT’s, and boost. Watch knock especially closely. Ensure you run the car very hard. If you see any Knock, you may need to reduce timing. If you see that your A/FR’s are off, you may need to adjust your fuel.

[shainesboostin]

I like the car, but I think it's funny how hard you are trying to impress people. Walk softly and carry a big stick. Talk **** when it's out on the street raping people, not in your garage in pieces.

Wouldn't call it talking ****... would call it alot of money, blood, sweat, and time. I do not know many 16-17 year olds that would be willing to dump money into a car they got dicked over on... If I knew half of what I know about dsm's when I bought the car as I did now I would have NEVER paid what I paid for the car, and im not sure if hes a member on here on not but Jesse Bruno of Omaha is a POS. Just throwing that out there. Not sure how anyone else on here is, but when I sell an item I describe it accurately and if the buyer is clueless about the item I have no problem explaining if/what is wrong with the item. I guess its because I bought the car when I was 15 and the previous owner put what he calls a "paintjob" on the car and threw a half ass tune on it so it would run and put a rediculous price tag on it.

I dont think its right to sell an item (car or part or whatever your selling) without describing the faults in it or deny the problem if the buyer ask's about it. I have given many parts for free to people and probably will continue to do so, but some people are jack ass even after you give them parts and bash your ride after you do so. Shainesboostin, never met the guy but he needed a battery tray so I helped the guy out. Flawlesstsi, gave him many parts and hes returned the favor. I guess that's what I see being legit.
Maybe you can call it pride? im actually not sure... sure's the hell wouldnt call it talking **** and Evan knows that. I know that he knows I respect his setup ha!!! Jealous? Maybe, but I owe him more for the setup I have than anything for introducing me to a guy in Hasting's that gave inspiration to build the car. Call it what you want I guess, soon it will hopefully be able to gain respect with the pedal not the talk.


oh, did I mention Bruno's shop in Omaha does half ass ****?

^ True story! Thanks again by the way! Your a good guy!

[93DEESEM]

It wasnt good enough at 5 oclock so you had to post again at 7:37?

You are a stupid mother ****er.

Already figured out what was wrong with tune so dont need your stupid ass comments.

So is your car fast yet?

[talon2008]

It wasnt good enough at 5 oclock so you had to post again at 7:37?

You are a stupid mother ****er.

Already figured out what was wrong with tune so dont need your stupid ass comments.

So is your car fast yet?

Ya, insanely fast....an entire tune of no boost and 40% or lower tps. Just once again use your imagination and imagine how fast it is.

[talon2008]

****ing christ....now I remember why I almost parted my car out not to long ago...DSM = anything that could POSSIBLY go wrong, WILL go wrong.

Was driving it from my parents house to my house and the slave cylinder pretty much locked up....never seen this before but its practically the only thing that I could see that possibly could have gone wrong? Granted this was at 4 am and is now 5 am. Gonna get up tomorrow sometime and diagnose the problem I guess. Thing is there is fluid everywhere - clutch reservoir full?!?!?!

[Trick]

its your car's way of saying...


SUCK IT

[93DEESEM]

It wasnt good enough at 5 oclock so you had to post again at 7:37?

You are a stupid mother ****er.

Already figured out what was wrong with tune so dont need your stupid ass comments.

So is your car fast yet?

Ya, insanely fast....an entire tune of no boost and 40% or lower tps. Just once again use your imagination and imagine how fast it is.

u r dumb

[talon2008]

Master/Slave cylinder replaced and got it dialed in for idle/cruise, waiting for new wideband to come in the mail so I can get some WOT pulls tuned. Judging by my friends talon with 35r at 15~ psi I cannot wait, should rip pretty damn hard.

[flawlessTSI]

****ing christ....now I remember why I almost parted my car out not to long ago...DSM = anything that could POSSIBLY go wrong, WILL go wrong.

Was driving it from my parents house to my house and the slave cylinder pretty much locked up....never seen this before but its practically the only thing that I could see that possibly could have gone wrong? Granted this was at 4 am and is now 5 am. Gonna get up tomorrow sometime and diagnose the problem I guess. Thing is there is fluid everywhere - clutch reservoir full?!?!?!

should of gone auto ha jkjk.

and thanks for all your help with mine. if you need anything let me know ill do my best to help. i cant wait to see this thing. tobad i dont have my car any more, it would of been a hella good race.

[talon2008]

Well, master/slave wouldve only taken about 15-20 mins to change both if I wouldnt of been a dumbass and took slave off without disconnecting SS braided clutch line first :(

Just getting vibes from other people running built trannys that ima need to go ahead and order a few master cylinders and shep stage 4 love to eat master cylinders.

Also Mike, let me know if you get Link, I have gotten some pretty good lessons from someone that knows ALOT about it. In all reality its pretty damn easy to use with 2g mas, but not exactly terrible with maft/gm maf..just takes FOREVER to get dialed in!

[KyleJ]

Take a break from your car. You and mike come help me out.

[talon2008]

Take a break from your car. You and mike come help me out.

I have no problem with that. I have literately been working on my dsm or my friends 2g and 1g for the past month EVERY day, would like to see something new. Whats wrong with your car Kyle?


Evane can vouch the not so pleasing idle of the car he heard it tonight. Almost annoying its so choppy. Still very glad I chose 272 instead of 280s for cams. Our friends car is ridiculously loud with 280 and 4" exhaust. Just wish I wouldve went with FFWD DKS 272 cams instead of POS Brian Crower 272.

[talon2008]

FOR SALE!!!! POS ****ING SHEP STAGE 4 TRANSMISSION!!!! missing some gears I believe (1 3 5 and reverse).... sad thing is I was just cruising down the highway in 4th gear at like 3k rpm and it decided it wanted to fail.

[flawlessTSI]

FOR SALE!!!! POS ****ING SHEP STAGE 4 TRANSMISSION!!!! missing some gears I believe (1 3 5 and reverse).... sad thing is I was just cruising down the highway in 4th gear at like 3k rpm and it decided it wanted to fail.

ha i got a whole auto set up ill sell you. 500 for the whole shell. with every thing you need to do a swap.

[Beans]

FOR SALE!!!! POS ****ING SHEP STAGE 4 TRANSMISSION!!!! missing some gears I believe (1 3 5 and reverse).... sad thing is I was just cruising down the highway in 4th gear at like 3k rpm and it decided it wanted to fail.

ha i got a whole auto set up ill sell you. 500 for the whole shell. with every thing you need to do a swap.

I recommend this!
And how the **** does the trans do that? Is shep covering the repair cost?

[Kelvin]

interesting

[EvanE]

I recommend this!
And how the **** does the trans do that? Is shep covering the repair cost?

i dont think SHEP covers the 2nd owner of the transmission...

[Beans]

I recommend this!
And how the **** does the trans do that? Is shep covering the repair cost?

i dont think SHEP covers the 2nd owner of the transmission...
O I didnt know that was the case.

[talon2008]

I recommend this!
And how the **** does the trans do that? Is shep covering the repair cost?

i dont think SHEP covers the 2nd owner of the transmission...

I think we oughta race big shot....im on 15 lbs with no 2nd gear on the extra transmission I had laying around.... or you can wait until we get the shep back in running condition (tore it apart tonight and didnt look to bad) and a real tune and see what happens.... also, let me know when your going to turn down a close to 5k tranny with shipping and all that for 3k with 300 miles and 2 8 second passes on it...

And the fault of the transmission was almost 99% self inflicted... was not a manufacturing defect im doubting.. a nut was shot through the casing where the front differential is and guess what else is in that same spot? Answer: Speed sensor hole... Pretty sure it didnt happen while I owned the transmission as I have never taken the speed sensor out :( Good thing I have a spare transmission with a good front differential and casing :D

Hopefully it will be back re assembled by kearney cruise night and running at double the intake pressure it is seeing now on race gas :D

[Beans]

ill race you

[roo]

DSM 4 LIFE DOG

[talon2008]

Well, the DSM life might come to an end sooner than I expected... Having alternator fitment issues with the alternator relocation so I will not be making it to Kearney cruise... but I think KRP has another "grudge" racing type of deal on like August 7th? maybe and everything should be fixed up by then... If I can get a decent clean pass on 30+ psi im about 99% sure ill be parting out the car and building something with a little bit more displacement.

[flawlessTSI]

noooooooooooooooooooo dont do it.

[Burntz]

do it. Dsm's are just too much ****ing work

[talon2008]

Yap... Wish I knew as much about the lsx.t56 world as I know about dsms :(

I can get an LS1 out of a 97 trans am for a VERY reasonable price from my friend, but don't really have any idea what ima do for a transmission....

All this will be going into a foxbody lx notch.... I got a bad feeling about learning all this ****.... but should be fine, learned about dsms by making ALOT of mistakes/money

[C.J.]

Yap... Wish I knew as much about the lsx.t56 world as I know about dsms :(

I can get an LS1 out of a 97 trans am

97 Trans Ams are LT1 cars.

[talon2008]

Yap... Wish I knew as much about the lsx.t56 world as I know about dsms :(

I can get an LS1 out of a 97 trans am

97 Trans Ams are LT1 cars.

haha, my point exactly.... lots of learning ahead...

[C.J.]

Either way an LSx Foxbody would be a fun project.

[talon2008]

Ya, im hoping so, looking for something different. After the realization that no matter how built a 4g63 manual transmission is built it IS going to break, I decided to flip a 180 and try the displacement world.

Anyone got any information on the t56 transmission? I know that is only 4" from the stock location of the t5 transmission thats in the fox bodys to begin with so that will be an easy change.

Also from what ive read AJE makes a k member that fits the mustang and bolts straight up to the ls1 block for only 300$ so that is probably what ima go with.

1 more thing.... Does anyone know of anywhere to get driveshafts made ? Willing to travel to the lincoln/omaha area if its a reputable shop.

[Burntz]

Sell DSM
Buy Foxbody
Buy ls1/t56
??????
Go FAST

[talon2008]

Selling dsm will be the hardest part ha! Need to get to track on some decent boost and pray it holds together or it will just be another "low 11 high ten second possible car"... Get shep stage 4 re shimmed and put back together... UGH **** im tired of this car!!!

Friday I gave Bill at billsautofab.com a call to see about getting a t56 bellhousing adapter and by the time I do that conversion Ill have more money than I would like into it and still have to worry about my shitty oil pressure destroying my turbo. (like 5 psi at idle...stupid ass 5 thousands piston to wall clearances - running 15-40w oil to..) Patched that by having a 1200 rpm idle, but who wants that...

[talon2008]

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Would have MUCH rather have had the entirely blacked out version of the rims I have now but they didnt have any in stock and was on wait for 4 weeks. O well, looks decent I guess.