WL: 2000 Gay Honda

[D1sclaimer]

Grew up a ricer. Still am. I'm just better about it now days.

Bought this thing Sept 1st, 2006. 33k on the clock from a private seller. Within the first week of driving it, I got into a small accident due to my naive driving skills combined with RWD and bald rear tires.

Got it dyno'd stock at Sublime. It was 198whp and 131wtq stock. I thought it was bad ass.

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First mod was a 68mm Skunk2 throttle body. Sold that quick. Junk mod and I was getting 12mpg's with it. Second mod was a 295 dollar 10lb bullshit weight gain Spoon crossbrace that didn't do **** and a decent looking strut tower bar. I also bought an Apexi Neo which was untuned. Sold the Apexi Neo too.

Finally realized I needed to get smarter with my mods. I bought a test pipe and K&N drop-in filter soon after and then bought a nitrous kit. But I was still an amateur idiot(still am). Heres how my half assed install looked.

Warning: Dipshit ricer alert.


Yes, I went through a whole thing of neon zip ties.

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I riced around like that for awhile. I finally got too embarrassed to pop my hood when someone asked. This last January I changed **** up. I got a little creative. I gradually made it what it is now. Heres some pics of the transformation.

Figured I'd use the dead space in the compartment since its bypassed anyways.

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I hid the FPR lines underneath the fuel rail cover.

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Now I threw everything most of the stuff in the intake box the way I wanted it.

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Hid the relay in between the battery and the chassis. Used wireloom to make the wires look OEM. I still have an obvious microswitch on the throttle body, but its better.

Got it dyno'd a couple months ago at C&S with and without the nitrous.

No nitrous was 200whp 132wtq. This was with the new test pipe and K&N drop-in filter.

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With nitrous, it was 256whp 179wtq. Still no tune on the 70 flywheel hp shot. This was with a .038 nitrous jet and being a dry kit. So on the fuel side(bleeder jet) it was a .044 jet.

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Best run at MAM is 8.5 @84mph with a 1.9 60' on my all season tires.
Best run at KCIR is a 13.3@106 with a 2.0 60' on the same tires. My 1/8th mile run for that was only an 8.7. I was spinning a bit when hitting vtak after the launch.

Since then, I bought a replica Megan Racing header. I was supposed to get it dyno'd last Friday, but BoostedBufords father's GN was taking a long time to get tuned so it didn't happen.

[BOORAH]

kEwL

[Black ss]

Yea still a gay honda though...

[Burntz]

god dam gay hondas... :)

[¿umop apisdn]

So are these mid engine?

[D1sclaimer]

So are these mid engine?

Yes, its a front mid-engine car. The weight distribution is advertised as 50/50, but I think its actually 49/51.

[srt-4_uk]

that is gay. it is all about that 70/30 split.

are you gonna keep drag racing it or road race/autocross that ****er?

[millertime]

where were you on Saturday?

[D1sclaimer]

that is gay. it is all about that 70/30 split.

are you gonna keep drag racing it or road race/autocross that ****er?

IDK. I'm bored as hell with it. Its been the same thing for a year and a half except when I hid everything. I thought that header would at least help a little, but from tonight, I can tell its slower now. I used to be even with my friends s2k. Now he pulls a car and a half on me from a roll. NA mods on this car are ****ing pointless. :mad: Now I gotta throw the stock header back on.

I want to auto-x more and everything, but I work the weekends when auto-x's are and track days at MAM aren't cheap.

I keep changing my mind on what I want to do. Im just about to order Mickey DRs. Over the winter I need to get a new clutch(mines been acting very weird so I hope it holds fine for KCIR). I wanted to get a Kia Sorento 4.77 ring and pinion to cyro and throw in my car. After that I'd probably get a piggyback so I can throw a bigger shot at it and tune for it. All in all, it'll still be slow. Either that, or I have found a cheaper turbo kit without injectors and engine management. But it has 2.5" piping and is newer.

[D1sclaimer]

where were you on Saturday?

I worked 1:00pm to 11:00pm. I wanted to go to the Mazda meet.

[srt-4_uk]

I heard hondas didnt respond well to regular mods but damn. That kinda sucks. Turbo, 300Z rear. Get it done. My buddy had one in his shop in North Platte like that and it was sick. WAY too much money in it though.

[D1sclaimer]

I heard hondas didnt respond well to regular mods but damn. That kinda sucks. Turbo, 300Z rear. Get it done. My buddy had one in his shop in North Platte like that and it was sick. WAY too much money in it though.

But Nate moved though. That would have been a badass setup to have. The rear end was actually a R200 NA 300zx rear end. Its a LSD and has a 4.10 final drive like our stock one is. People claim its good to 1000whp.

[slvr_skittle]

turbo that biyach.

[regal403]

Time for an LS1 swap.

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[ali]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV08SE-zV7A

[D1sclaimer]

Motor in it is perfectly capable as it is. Just no funds.

[srt-4_uk]

the rear on the other hand.......

[D1sclaimer]

Yeah. I'm actually surprised mine is still holding and not in pieces lol.

[D1sclaimer]

Welp. I just bought an AEM EMS for my car. I was gonna buy DR's and a clutch, but I got it new for 875 shipped so I hopped on it. So I'll be going down to KCIR with everyone with my same setup that ran an amazing 13.3.

Are there any AEMPro tuners in Lincoln? I've got a couple I've found so far near Omaha.

[millertime]

Are there any AEMPro tuners in Lincoln? I've got a couple I've found so far near Omaha.

I believe when I was talking to the shop inc about tuning the rx7, they said that they've done AEM standalones before. call them.

[Just-a-method]

Awesome
I like ur car a lot sir

[D1sclaimer]

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I might have a hook-up for a cheap tune from a reputable local tuner. Still probably not before the trip to KCIR though.

[millertime]

get a harness adapter? dunno if they make one for the s2k. Apexi does for the FD :D

[D1sclaimer]

get a harness adapter? dunno if they make one for the s2k. Apexi does for the FD :D

Its plug and play. The factory harness clips right in. :D

[millertime]

nice, that's actually how the FD one is, but you have to do something with the harness to make it fit, I don't remember and I don't feel like looking it up right now.

[D1sclaimer]

Welp. Bad news again.

Got it running fine. Tuned it. Tuned for more nitrous(75whp shot .044 nitrous jet). Clutch was starting to slip more during tuning. Took it out tonight and doing roll races, the clutch was spinning til 7500rpm.

I'll be going on the 3rd in my beater since I don't want to use the ricer clutch excuse. I'll try to go 1 last time this year when I can afford a clutch.

[D1sclaimer]

I figured I should quit ****ing around and just do what needs to be done. I'll order this in a couple weeks at their holiday price.

http://www.inlinepro.com/s1/p-16-stage-2-s2000-turbo-kit.aspx

[¿umop apisdn]

Holy expensive!

[D1sclaimer]

I'm getting it 1000 off. Still pricey with that, but its a quality kit with exactly what I want.

[¿umop apisdn]

If I can't boost the SC for under 1500, I might not do it.

[D1sclaimer]

If I can't boost the SC for under 1500, I might not do it.

Can you make over 500whp with that 1500?

[JDMonster]

I <3 GAY hondas.....

[srt-4_uk]

bout time. I like

[srt-4_uk]

What are you gonna do about the rear end?

[D1sclaimer]

What are you gonna do about the rear end?

Pray to the Mazda/Ford gods and hope it doesn't blow up for the time being. Weakest part on the car is outsourced to Mazda. Who would have guessed?

Theres a guy who rebuilds the diffs for 2 grand with parts that he makes and theres a few with over 600whp that have gone through him and are still running fine. The Inline Pro rear end kit to make a Nissan R200 diff bolt up just doubled in price to 3400 dollars. :mad:

[srt-4_uk]

How much is the 300z swap?

[DarkSlide]

The R200 comes in a lot of things. Z32 rear will take a lot of abuse.

[D1sclaimer]

FML, I just looked and they raised the price again. 3600 dollars and that doesn't include the cost of the r200 diff either. It does have the axles and everything else.

http://www.inlinepro.com/s1/p-31-s2000-diff-kit.aspx

[srt-4_uk]

Z32=R200?

[srt-4_uk]

derp. link answered my question

[D1sclaimer]

Z32=R200?

R200 = NA 300zx Z32 diff with LSD 4.08 final drive

[srt-4_uk]

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

[D1sclaimer]

I was thinking Suzuki Cappuccino.

[D1sclaimer]

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[DarkSlide]

I've seen a couple of those. They are badass.

Btw R200 is out of a plethora of Nissan vehicles. J30, S-chassis, Z32, Q45, etc.

[¿umop apisdn]

If I can't boost the SC for under 1500, I might not do it.

Can you make over 500whp with that 1500?

Hmm, I dunno. I'd guess 2k or so. I haven't tried looking for **** for 500. I'm shooting for 400 or 450 when I do.

[D1sclaimer]

Got one of these used for 500 dollars shipped. Full 3" and supposed to sound very nice.

http://www.inlinepro.com/s1/p-61-inlinepro-3-exhaust.aspx

[KyleJ]

Holy **** that is an expensive turbo kit. From the sounds it doesn't come with an actual turbo?

[Stein]

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

There's only room for one gay Miata on SCR.

[srt-4_uk]

Holy **** that is an expensive turbo kit. From the sounds it doesn't come with an actual turbo?
Precision Turbo 67/65

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

There's only room for one gay Miata on SCR.

There is more than just your miata on the board.

[Stein]

Holy **** that is an expensive turbo kit. From the sounds it doesn't come with an actual turbo?
Precision Turbo 67/65

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

There's only room for one gay Miata on SCR.

There is more than just your miata on the board.

But only one with a V8 in it AFAIK. That's what makes it properly gay. Otherwise, it's just another non-gay Miata.

[srt-4_uk]

that is true. But gay miatas still have 4 cyls in it. V8 makes it a little more manly. just a little though.

Girl cars ftw.

[BOORAH]

Holy **** that is an expensive turbo kit. From the sounds it doesn't come with an actual turbo?
Precision Turbo 67/65

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

There's only room for one gay Miata on SCR.

There is more than just your miata on the board.

But only one with a V8 in it AFAIK. That's what makes it properly gay. Otherwise, it's just another non-gay Miata.

There's another waiting for the LS2 thats sitting next to it.

[Stein]

Holy **** that is an expensive turbo kit. From the sounds it doesn't come with an actual turbo?
Precision Turbo 67/65

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

There's only room for one gay Miata on SCR.

There is more than just your miata on the board.

But only one with a V8 in it AFAIK. That's what makes it properly gay. Otherwise, it's just another non-gay Miata.

There's another waiting for the LS2 thats sitting next to it.

Who? Shaggy or someone else that is actually going to get it done someday.:lol::bolt:

[BOORAH]

Holy **** that is an expensive turbo kit. From the sounds it doesn't come with an actual turbo?
Precision Turbo 67/65

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

There's only room for one gay Miata on SCR.

There is more than just your miata on the board.

But only one with a V8 in it AFAIK. That's what makes it properly gay. Otherwise, it's just another non-gay Miata.

There's another waiting for the LS2 thats sitting next to it.

Who? Shaggy or someone else?

Yap, teh shagster.

[Stein]

Holy **** that is an expensive turbo kit. From the sounds it doesn't come with an actual turbo?
Precision Turbo 67/65

Sounds like its time to sell and get a miata.

There's only room for one gay Miata on SCR.

There is more than just your miata on the board.

But only one with a V8 in it AFAIK. That's what makes it properly gay. Otherwise, it's just another non-gay Miata.

There's another waiting for the LS2 thats sitting next to it.

Who? Shaggy or someone else?

Yap, teh shagster.

Fuk, too slow on ninja edit.

[BOORAH]

I win :)

[¿umop apisdn]

I win :)

But you really lose. It's an LS6.

[Burntz]

:lost:

[BOORAH]

I win :)

But you really lose. It's an LS6.

Oh yah...

[D1sclaimer]

Look out!!!!!!!!!!!

I haz exhaust

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[CrazyQuady]

brand?

[BOORAH]

RICE

[D1sclaimer]

brand?

InlinePro.

[CrazyQuady]

Nice

[srt-4_uk]

Is there a turbo manifold hidden under there?

[D1sclaimer]

Is there a turbo manifold hidden under there?

Not yet. That'll come soon though. I already paid them for it.

But I still have other **** to buy too like injectors, wideband(since I was borrowing Brad's), electronic boost controller, 4bar MAP sensor, and other **** I'm not remembering at the moment.

[srt-4_uk]

4 bar map. ballin

[D1sclaimer]

4 bar map. ballin

Its the same price as the 3 bar so I figured why not?

[srt-4_uk]

resolution?

[D1sclaimer]

Is it gonna mess it up that much though? I have to change the MAP voltage values in AEMPro for when I hook it up, but I'm guessing that just corrects it so the EMS can read it which would change the resolution if it scales it. I can see how that could cause problems. Kinda like resolution with oversized injectors.

Its one of those parts that everyone gets, but that doesn't mean anything either I guess.

[srt-4_uk]

It should be fine. Just bringing up the question.

[D1sclaimer]

I need some halp.

The turbo that I'm getting is a Precision 67/65 T4 Vband. I thought it was only available with a .81 AR hotside. I guess I have a choice of a .81 and .61 or .68 (he said both in his message to me and I'm guessing he meant one or the other from the way he was talking about it.)

I'm leaning towards the .81 AR so power doesn't fall off before 9k rpms. Opinions? I'm a turbo noob so forgive my ignorance.

[srt-4_uk]

Good luck spooling that .81. Honestly, I would look for a smaller turbo overall.

[KyleJ]

.68

[D1sclaimer]

Well my future plans are a 2.4L built stroker with AEBS sleeves, CP 9:1 pistons, IP rods that they use on their shop car, and their billet crank. The turbo is what I'll want, just not needed for another year or so.

I've been reading up and some people say its a big difference while others say the difference in spool is only a few hundred rpms.

[srt-4_uk]

What are your hp goals?

If you don't plan on fully using that turbo for a year, get a smaller turbo for now. You will hate spooling it on the stock motor.

If you are dead set on that turbo, get the .68 and/or ball bearing center housing. You will not have as much peak power but much more under the curve power.

[D1sclaimer]

650-700 mustang dyno. I believe that is attainable. I'm 99% sure the turbo is capable of that if I did my research right.

Will it be that bad though? I mean, I already am used to no power until 6k because of Vtec. My gearing is close enough that everytime I shift at 9k, it only goes down to 6k rpms for the next gear. With drag racing, the launch would be the biggest concern other than that.

[srt-4_uk]

650 might be a stretch on a mustang dyno with that turbo. But you will need the .81

That being said, I still suggest a smaller turbo for a year before it is built.

[KyleJ]

How long will it be before you have the built motor in? Are you going to build a second motor, or pull your original motor and build it?

[D1sclaimer]

How long will it be before you have the built motor in? Are you going to build a second motor, or pull your original motor and build it?

I have a scored spare block sitting in my garage ready to be sent for sleeving. That will come probably for next winter though.

I want to get this up and running halfway decent before I really think about that yet.

[KyleJ]

If it's going to be a year or so, I would go with the .68 now and upgrade when you get the built motor done. Just MHO.

[Stein]

I'm a turbo noob so forgive my ignorance.

Ever read the book "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell? If you haven't you should. You can borrow mine if you want to.

Turbos should be chosen not for baller status but as a fit for the motor. Air flow, amount of boost, displacement, RPM all figure into the equation. Then choose one that puts the efficiency island where it needs to be.

[D1sclaimer]

I'm a turbo noob so forgive my ignorance.

Ever read the book "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell? If you haven't you should. You can borrow mine if you want to.

Turbos should be chosen not for baller status but as a fit for the motor. Air flow, amount of boost, displacement, RPM all figure into the equation. Then choose one that puts the efficiency island where it needs to be.
I'm not choosing it for baller status. If I wanted baller status, I would have chose a GT42R or something even bigger.

My stock head flows very well. My stock cams are a decent size too. 300 degree intake duration, 298 exhaust duration, and intake lift is .498 and exhaust is .459. I don't make much low end power and don't care for it and it should spool around 5500rpm which is fine by me. Thats my reasoning which may or may not be flawed. If I throw in some nice valve springs, I could rev it out to 10k safely for now with a 1.82 rod/stroke ratio and balanced bottom end if I wanted to keep boost high longer.

[Maas]

Ever read the book "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell? If you haven't you should. You can borrow mine if you want to.

I bought this book when I was 14 and I read it over and over until I started understanding it. :lol:

Another helpful book for me was "The Turbocharging Performance Handbook" by Jeff Hartman.

Its full of more specific info on many apps. Lots of equations to help you find out what you should get.

Those books are the reason I understand VE, bsfc, pressure drop, how to read compressor maps, blah blah blah.

[Stein]

I'm a turbo noob so forgive my ignorance.

Ever read the book "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell? If you haven't you should. You can borrow mine if you want to.

Turbos should be chosen not for baller status but as a fit for the motor. Air flow, amount of boost, displacement, RPM all figure into the equation. Then choose one that puts the efficiency island where it needs to be.
I'm not choosing it for baller status. If I wanted baller status, I would have chose a GT42R or something even bigger.

My stock head flows very well. My stock cams are a decent size too. 300 degree intake duration, 298 exhaust duration, and intake lift is .498 and exhaust is .459. I don't make much low end power and don't care for it and it should spool around 5500rpm which is fine by me. Thats my reasoning which may or may not be flawed. If I throw in some nice valve springs, I could rev it out to 10k safely for now with a 1.82 rod/stroke ratio and balanced bottom end if I wanted to keep boost high longer.

I guess I could have said it better than baller. What I mean is just buying it because "that's what people have bought". A properly matched turbo will pay huge dividends. Map your own car out given your specific goals and airflow and select the best turbo for the job and not just buy one because others are using it.

Consider reading the book. You will definitely learn a lot. An educated consumer is a satisfied consumer.

[Maas]

A few essential things to know:

Pressure ratio=Psia/psig, or psi absolute(total)/psi guage(boost pressure, or pressure above atmospheric)

Airflow: Desired hp x Afr x bsfc / 60

Required pressure to make desired hp:

Airflow x Gas constant(460 + intake mani temp)
Ve x (Engine Speed/2) x Displacement



With that, you can plot yourself on a compressor map.

[Maas]

My stock cams are a decent size too. 300 degree intake duration, 298 exhaust duration, and intake lift is .498 and exhaust is .459.

Duration at .050 lift is usually better to reference.

[Maas]

Im just sayin adv. duration isn't comparing apples to apples, since they can measure that duration at whatever lift they want.

[D1sclaimer]

My stock cams are a decent size too. 300 degree intake duration, 298 exhaust duration, and intake lift is .498 and exhaust is .459.

Duration at .050 lift is usually better to reference.

@.050 lift, the intake duration is 226 and the exhaust duration is 222.

[millertime]

something for you to consider regarding air and fuel delivery, obviously anything directly rotary related you'll need to change for your needs, but all of the math still works.

Much of this post can be found scattered around this board but i thought it would be a good idea to put it all together and add in alternative fuels such as ethanol and methanol.

The rotary is, of course, unique and as such it would be a big mistake to use piston metrics when planning setup.

How unique?

Let's talk airflow:

A piston engine can generally make ten hp for every pound per minute of air, so a 70 pound per minute turbo can make 700 piston hp. As we navigate the web looking at turbos we often see a hp tag... for instance a 73 pound per minute TO4Z/GT500/PT67 is often rated at 730 hp. If you are looking for 730 you'd best look elsewhere because they are talking PISTON lingo.

Should you wish to translate to rotary you'd take the pounds per minute, or the estimated HP number, and divide by 1.3.

73 pounds per minute is 561 ROTARY rwhp.

BTW, that doesn't mean the rotary takes a back seat to the piston engine. While it does take a discount due to lower volumetric efficiency (VE), it makes up for lower VE by being able to flow more air V displacement.

O K, let's get into it starting with airflow and hp.

FDs are all about airfow from turbos.

Most turbos have a compressor map which sets forth maximum airflow in pounds per minute and other metrics such as efficiency and airflow at differing boost levels etc. (see Sean's How To Read a Compressor Map thread sticky in the Single Turbo Section).

This thread is about properly sizing the fuel system(s) so let's just focus on the maximum air as set forth on a commonly used GT3582R compressor map.

Airflow is represented in pounds per minute. The GT35 makes approx 62 pounds per minute max.
Rotaries require 1.92 CFM (cubic feet per minute) to make one rear wheel hp. Transposing pounds per minute to CFM, we multiply by 14.471.

14.471 times 62 = 897 cubic feet per minute.

Now that we have CFM we divide by 1.92 to get rear wheel rotary hp.
897/1.92 = 467 max rotary rwhp.

TO4Z, GT500, PT67 turbos make 73 pounds per minute.
73 X 14.471 = 1056 CFM/1.92 = 550 max rotary rwhp

The GT4294 puts out 85 pounds per minute.
85 X 14.471 = 1230 CFM/1.92 = 641 max rotary rwhp

Now that we have an understanding how to get CFM from pounds per minute and then rw rotary hp let's move on to solving for fuel requirements from air generated.

AFR

Air Fuel Ratio... 10 to 1, 11 to 1, 12 to 1. These ratios are for air and fuel measured in POUNDS.
Back to the GT35r and let’s calculate fuel injector sizing.

I suggest we use a couple of "givens."

"Given" we want to have enough fuel to run 10.0 to 1 AFR if necessary.
"Given" we want to run our fuel injectors at no more than 85% capacity (expressed as duty cycle).

Assuming 62 pounds per minute of air, at a 10 to 1 ratio we need 6.2 pounds per minute of gasoline.

62 pounds air
6.2 pounds gasoline

We wish to limit our fuel injectors to 85% duty so we divide 1 by .85
1/.85 = 1.1764

We now take our adjuster (1.1764) and multiply it times our 6.2 pounds per minute of gasoline.
1.1764 X 6.2 = 7.294 pounds per minute of fuel delivery capacity.

The next step is to convert the pounds of gasoline to gallons. Gasoline weighs 6.35 pounds per gallon.

7.294 pounds / 6.35 = 1.14868 gallons per minute

Off to my favorite "converter" website (http://online.unitconverterpro.com/u...ha/volume.html)...

Select “Gallon” converted to “Cubic Centimeter” (CC) and find that 1.14868 gallons is 4348 CC

So 4348 CC/Min at 85% delivery is 3695 CC/Min net of duty cycle.
That number will produce fuel necessary to service the max air GT35r at a 10 to 1 AFR.

Given the above calculations we can now answer some common FD injector questions…

“If I run my 550s as primaries what do I need as secondaries with my GT35?”
4348 - 1100 = 3248 CC/Min needed in addition to 550 primaries
Run a couple of 1600s and you are fine!

“How about 850 primaries and 1300 secondaries?”
4348 required…
(850 X2) = 1700
(1300 X2) = 2600
Total = 4300… fine.

Moving up to the larger 73 pound per minute turbo... Let’s do it simply by just multiplying by the increase in air delivery V the GT35r..
73/62 = 1.1774
4348 X 1.1774 = 5119 CC/Min

“Will 550s work as primaries?”
5119 - 1100 = 4019 required for secondaries so given our assumptions the 1600s won't work.

“What do I need w 850s as primaries?”
5119 - 1700 = 3419 CC/Min. 1600s will probably be O K, especially considering 1600s generally flow 1680 each.

“How about a GT4294 at 83 pounds per minute?”
83/62 = 1.3387
4348 X 1.3387 = 5820 CC/Min

“What do i need in addition to my 850 primaries?”
5820 - 1700 = 4121 CC/Min

As I understand, the Bosch 1600 injector is no longer being made. There are a few new injectors that have become recently available. I believe there is a Siemans injector that is around 2000+ CC/Min and there is at least one brand of aftermarket injectors that offer increased deliverability w good spray pattern.

Additional injector option info welcomed.

So far, we have been talking gasoline.

We also need to understand two other fuels since either they, or water, must be introduced into the combustion process or we will be destroying our turbo'd rotary in short order.

Fuel, whether gasoline or some derivative of alcohol (ethanol or methanol), is really about BTUs.

A combo of oxygen and BTUs creates energy as in Torque and HP.

BTUs per Gallon

Gasoline (any octane)..................................116,090
Ethanol (alcohol)......................................... .76,330
Methanol (alcohol)......................................... 57,250

Gasoline wins the energy per gallon contest, so why would we want to run methanol or ethanol?

Alcohol delivers immense cooling compared to gasoline. Cooling is expressed as “latent heat.” The bigger the number the higher the cooling capacity. (BTU/Gal)

Gasoline.......................952
Methanol.....................3136................. ..........3.29 times more cooling than gasoline
Ethanol........................2398............... ............2.52 times more cooling than gasoline

The immense cooling provided by alcohol allows boost to be raised without encountering motor destroying knock. Note that methanol delivers 31% more cooling than ethanol which is why methanol is the non gasoline fuel of choice amongst many pro racers.

Real world proof is provided by Jose LeDuc's 13 B-REW (two rotor) 1000+ rear wheel horsepower drag racing RX3. Powered my methanol alone, the 1150+ flywheel horsepower two rotor doesn’t even use an intercooler! The upper intake manifold is freezing to the touch after a 180+ MPH quarter.

An excellent indicator of rotary health is absence of knock. Low knock equals low CCP Low knock equals less calls to your engine builder. Running about 20% methanol with 93 octane pump gas my 507 SAE hp FD shows less than 10 knock at 20 psi! My motor ran in this state of tune for four years and generated it’s highest compression just as I decided to pull and examine it. (Purely out of curiosity) All was well inside thanks to the methanol.

Rotaries generally fail due to warped apex seals (loss of compression), broken apex seals from knock or blown out coolant seals from too much CCP/heat. Alcohol ‘s ability to defeat heat solves the problems.

Another benefit of alcohol is that it’s autoignition point is much higher than gasoline.

gasoline...........................495 F
methanol..........................867 F
ethanol.............................793 F

Methanol ignites at a 75% higher temperature than gasoline. This delivers important benefits should a piece of carbon decide to glow in the motor.

Our 159 cubic inch 2 rotor motors routinely put out 300, 400, 500 rwhp w the help of turbocharging. Corrected to flywheel hp this is 345, 460, 575 flywheel hp and is 2.16, 2.89, and 3.61 hp per cubic inch! These are all stratospheric compared to the $300,000 AMG hotrodded twin turbo SL65 Benz at 1.81 or the $106,000 Corvette ZR1 at 1.69.

That's why it is necessary to use either water or alcohol derivatives to cool our motors at higher output/boost levels. (please see my thread "the Fix" in the 3rd Gen section for the details.)

Let's get back to the details relative to ethanol and methanol so you can properly size your total fuel needs...

BTU content is the key.

We know what we need as far as gasoline to make "X" hp from above. Since gasoline contains 116,090 BTUs and meth is 57,250 BTUs per gallon, if we are to replace, say 20%, of our gasoline w meth we need to replace it on an equal BTU basis.

Back to the GT35r…

3695 (net of 85% duty cycle) CC/Min Max gasoline is .9761 gallons per minute. (thanks converter site).

.9761 gallons times 116,090 BTUs/Gal = 113,315 BTUs.

Let’s assume we want to take our gasoline injector duty cycle from 85% to 70% using methanol.
That’s a drop of 21.1%. We would be removing 21.1% of the BTUs. .

.211 X 113,315 = 23,996. BTUs removed by cutting base fuel (gasoline.)

To replace those BTUs…

One gallon of methanol has 57,250 BTUs.

23,996/57,250 = 42% of a gallon which is 1586 CC/Min. I run two FJO 700 CC/Min injectors to deliver my meth and am around 76% duty cycle on base fuel w 850/1600 injectors at 11.3 AFR.

As you can see it is a pretty simple procedure to dial in fuel combos. Since the alcohols are “fuel” you can run as much or as little as you wish. I suggest around 1000- 1400 CC/Min.

Finally, there’s water, which can also be an important solution to rotary longevity and increased power.

Water of course is not a fuel, and as such adds no energy.
Water’s big attribute is subtractive! It subtracts/removes heat in a big way.

Heat (BTUs) removed per gallon

Gasoline....................952
Ethanol....................2398
Methanol..................3136
Water.......................8087

Three things jump out.

Water, as far as cooling, is king.
Methanol is king of fuels as far as cooling

Gasoline is lame, very lame. This underlines the inefficiency of purposely tuning to a rich AFR with gasoline. A rich gasoline tune carbons up the motor and adds little cooling-wise compared to water or methanol.

In addition, both methanol and water clean carbon from the rotary interior.

The addition of water is not unlimited since it doesn’t burn. FD tuners generally use between 300 and 500 CC/Min to cool CCP. Should you be wishing to raise boost and make more hp, water in the amount of 700+ CC/Min, has been utilized and 700 rw rotary hp has been made using water and pump gas. An uprated ignition system is required as you start using more than 400 CC.


Howard Coleman

[srt-4_uk]

If it's going to be a year or so, I would go with the .68 now and upgrade when you get the built motor done. Just MHO.

I would recommend that except it will cost around $150 for the housing itself.
Whereas, you can buy a used turbo that fits your setup for a year and sell it a year later for almost no loss.

[CGC]

My buddy had one in his shop in North Platte like that and it was sick. WAY too much money in it though.

No kidding. He had so much damn money in that thing!

But Nate moved though. That would have been a badass setup to have. The rear end was actually a R200 NA 300zx rear end. Its a LSD and has a 4.10 final drive like our stock one is. People claim its good to 1000whp.

Sucks he moved. I would go see him whenever i was on NP for work. Guess he has it all done and running now.

[srt-4_uk]

You have been to Wes's shop?

[CGC]

You have been to Wes's shop?

Yeah, Nate took me there to see his car when i was in town for work. Was a couple other cars in there too, but ill keep my trap shut. I've know Nate for a few years now. Met him on s2ki.com. When he'd come out here on the railroad for work id go meet up with him when i could.

You from North Platte?

[D1sclaimer]

Squirrels2k is his name on s2ki IIRC.

Since this got bumped, I got good news today. It finally shipped out and they included a 200 dollar fuel rail for free since it took a week longer than it should have.

[D1sclaimer]

I don't know if you know Jeremiah, but he parted most of his s2k out. He had a badass setup, but decided to buy a house and had to part it out before he got it tuned. His tag on s2ki is J-SPECIAL-OPS-S2K. He did the writeup for the IP 3mm head gasket install and lives in Lincoln.

I also bought a used IP 3mm headgasket. Sounds silly, right? Well, if I take the rivets off, remove the 2.xxmm spacer, take a new OEM headgasket, take the rivets off of that, and throw the spacer inbetween, I essentially have a IP 3mm headgasket. They use OEM headgaskets even too when they rivet theirs together.

[millertime]

your turbo kit? ****ing win! what're you gonna use for injectors?

[D1sclaimer]

your turbo kit? ****ing win! what're you gonna use for injectors?

Yeah. I'm gonna use Injector Dynamics 1000cc injectors. Essentially, they are a modified Bosch injector.

They came out within the past year and everyones been raving about them and they supposedly idle better than stock. They're a tad pricey at 450 dollars for a set, but I figured, it'd be a good investment rather than some cheap RC injectors.

[srt-4_uk]

You have been to Wes's shop?

Yeah, Nate took me there to see his car when i was in town for work. Was a couple other cars in there too, but ill keep my trap shut. I've know Nate for a few years now. Met him on s2ki.com. When he'd come out here on the railroad for work id go meet up with him when i could.

You from North Platte?

We takin over this thread TJ, get over it.

I am from Florida and live in Omaha but I know Wes and have been to his place before. He has some crazy builds in that shop. Unfortunately most of them dont get finished. I just talked to Wes today, actually. He is talking about moving to Omaha.
Did that S2000 ever end up getting finished?

[srt-4_uk]

I also bought a used IP 3mm headgasket. Sounds silly, right? Well, if I take the rivets off, remove the 2.xxmm spacer, take a new OEM headgasket, take the rivets off of that, and throw the spacer inbetween, I essentially have a IP 3mm headgasket. They use OEM headgaskets even too when they rivet theirs together.

That reminds me of what neon guys do. There was a vendor selling 5 layer head gaskets for $60. When someone bought one, they realized it was just 2 stock 3 headgaskets riveted together with the middle layer removed. Stock headgaskets are like $15.

[CGC]

We takin over this thread TJ, get over it.

I am from Florida and live in Omaha but I know Wes and have been to his place before. He has some crazy builds in that shop. Unfortunately most of them dont get finished. I just talked to Wes today, actually. He is talking about moving to Omaha.
Did that S2000 ever end up getting finished?

Ah gotcha. I've met Wes a couple times too. He needs to get out of that town, its worse than Scottsbluff. Nate told me a couple weeks ago it was all done and running. Not sure if its all tuned, but at least it runs after all those years!

[D1sclaimer]

I also bought a used IP 3mm headgasket. Sounds silly, right? Well, if I take the rivets off, remove the 2.xxmm spacer, take a new OEM headgasket, take the rivets off of that, and throw the spacer inbetween, I essentially have a IP 3mm headgasket. They use OEM headgaskets even too when they rivet theirs together.

That reminds me of what neon guys do. There was a vendor selling 5 layer head gaskets for $60. When someone bought one, they realized it was just 2 stock 3 headgaskets riveted together with the middle layer removed. Stock headgaskets are like $15.

Yeah its pretty crazy. I'll have a 309 dollar headgasket for about 100 dollars.

[srt-4_uk]

$309 for a headgasket? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[DarkSlide]

overpriced headgasket much? why is honda **** so expensive? lol

[D1sclaimer]

overpriced headgasket much? why is honda **** so expensive? lol

My car is expensive since only a couple of companies make quality stuff for it. The JDM companies tried doing with my car that they did with Civics and fail horribly since with mine, its actually really good from the factory. Cams from Brian Crower and Skunk2 have been proven to lose hp. For N/A cars, bolt-ons tend to lose hp.

So only a couple companies actually make good stuff for my car. InlinePRO is the only place to get some things that I need for my car.

[DarkSlide]

Just do whatever J's Racing did to make 320hp NA. That car sounds hot.

[D1sclaimer]

And spend 50k dollars to do it. No thanks. Thats one of the Japanese companies I was talking aobut.

What people dont see either, is thats flywheel hp. 320hp over stock 247(JDM has a 11.7 compression so .7 more compression more than US).

Thats with a stroker kit, full bolt-ons, 15:1 pistons, and all of their other little bullshit. Not worth it.

[DarkSlide]

Yeah I know lol. Boosted s2k's are sweet tho. I look forward to seeing yours done.

[D1sclaimer]

I received my kit today. The intercooler inlet was smashed up and theres a bit missing from the compressor.

Are these gonna be problematic for me? I talked to my friend who works at 3D motorsports and he said that it should be fine. The only thing he said he'd worry about is the intercooler. Would you guys agree with this?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6177/dscf0202e.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/i/dscf0202e.jpg/)
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9270/dscf0201y.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/dscf0201y.jpg/)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6924/dscf0199t.th.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/dscf0199t.jpg/)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8027/dscf0198r.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/dscf0198r.jpg/)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5297/dscf0199r.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/dscf0199r.jpg/)
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1864/dscf0204p.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dscf0204p.jpg/)

Theres a lot more. I'm just too lazy to take pictures of everything.

[millertime]

not too sure about the turbo, but it can't be good, as far as the IC inlet, bend it back in place and file it smooth.

[D1sclaimer]

Now I feel really stupid. The "chunk" from the compressor is because from the balancing.

[DarkSlide]

Thats what I was going to suggest that it was lol.

You could probably fixed the intercooler.

[srt-4_uk]

Now I feel really stupid. The "chunk" from the compressor is because from the balancing.
lol.

I personally would send the intercooler back or ask for a small refund to fix it. You paid for new **** right?
You shouldnt have to deal with ****ed up parts.

[D1sclaimer]

Now I feel really stupid. The "chunk" from the compressor is because from the balancing.
lol.

I personally would send the intercooler back or ask for a small refund to fix it. You paid for new **** right?
You shouldnt have to deal with ****ed up parts.
Yeah, I think thats gonna be my course of action. Good thing I'm not in a hurry to throw this stuff on.

[millertime]

lemme know when you start working on putting it on, I'd like to help.

[D1sclaimer]

lemme know when you start working on putting it on, I'd like to help.

I'll need it lol. I'm still learning about everything and don't want to mess things up.

[bimmerbrian]

Put the header on, hook up intercooler piping up to the headers then to the intercooler. Then connect directly to your throttle body. Put turbo on passengers seat, and be prepared to go fast.

[D1sclaimer]

DEI?

[bimmerbrian]

:rofl:

[D1sclaimer]

I finally got my replacement intercooler only to find that it is damaged as well. I'm gonna see if I can get a refund and just buy a Mase Tuning kit.

Working with InlinePro is like trying to work with clowns. They take a week to get back to you and send you damaged parts and send you the wrong parts too. Very ****ing disappointed with working with them.

[Stein]

Sucks man. I've had better luck with CDM ebay sellers than you had with this shop.

[srt-4_uk]

Be a pain in the ass. With the money you spend, **** deserves to be right

[CGC]

That sucks to hear man. I remember Nate having issues with them too on his build.

[D1sclaimer]

Well I talked to Tom, the owner, today. He assured me that he'll get everything taken care for me asap. I'm gonna send some stuff back to them today and see how long it takes to get stuff back from there. Hopefully it wont take another 2 months.

[Just-a-method]

Hey I had no idea you were doing this lol

nothin gets passed me

[revvin7]

I'm curious to see what it puts down.

[D1sclaimer]

Competition Clutch 6 puck clutch ordered. I will be picking up the MAP sensor sometime this week.

My 3rd intercooler and new turbo should be on the way to me.

I put full coverage insurance back on it a few weeks ago. Very excite!

[slvr_skittle]

oh snap! I missed out on this WL big time. My dream built is coming to life here!

[D1sclaimer]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8540/0326002256.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6917/0326002255.jpg

[Cobra Commander]

Holy **** that license plate is awesome. :lol:

[D1sclaimer]

Heres my stock clutch.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2264/dscf0223zz.jpg

[srt-4_uk]

why isnt it a 4 puck unsprung?

[Kries]

Holy **** that license plate is awesome. :lol:

Hahahahaha, I didn't notice that until you said something.

[D1sclaimer]

why isnt it a 4 puck unsprung?

Because I wont make enough torque to require it. :lol:

[D1sclaimer]

Clutch installed and I'm attempting to break it in. Holy **** this thing goes from nothing to all out pretty quick and is gonna take some time to get used to.

[Timon]

how bad was the clutch install? how long did it take you?

[D1sclaimer]

There were a few annoying things. It took me a lot longer than I was hoping. I'd guess 9 hours total since it was my first clutch install ever. I could probably do it in 4-5 hours since I know what to do now.

You have to remove the alternator so you can take off the top starter bolt. That top starter bolt bolts through the block to the transmission. That bolt is way back under the intake manifold and was tricky to get to especially at the angle.

Getting the dowel pins on the tranny and block to line up was a pain too. They just wouldn't go in. We had my friend on the bottom shaking the tranny from side to side and I was up top pushing the engine front to rear. That method got them in quickly.

[slvr_skittle]

How do you like the feel of a new clutch? Isn't it amazing?

[D1sclaimer]

How do you like the feel of a new clutch? Isn't it amazing?

Sorry I didn't see this before.

At first, I hated it. I killed the car like 10 times the first couple of days and it was rough. After it was broken in more and I became more used to it, it felt really nice. No slippage whatsoever is awesome.

[D1sclaimer]

More gay. I'm still waiting on the turbo and intercooler.

I ordered an Innovate LC-1 on March 29. I didn't hear anything from them about shipping or anything so on Friday, I emailed them. Should have known better to buy it off of ebay, but it was about 40 dollars cheaper than other places. This is their response. I want a blue one. :cry:

The DB Blue Kits are on National Backorder from Innovate Motorsports. We were out of stock on this item when you placed your eBay order. Since we are both an eBay store and physical storefront, our inventory displayed over eBay may not be accurate. However, we are in daily contact with Innovate as to when we will receive these products. If your set on the blue color, it may be a week wait before I can get get them in. If you would like to switch your order to a red faced gauge, I may be able to get those sooner. I apologize for this inconveinence. Feel free to call and check on the status of your order at any point Anthony.

Guess I wont be going to MAM later this next friday either.

[srt-4_uk]

How do you like the feel of a new clutch? Isn't it amazing?

Sorry I didn't see this before.

At first, I hated it. I killed the car like 10 times the first couple of days and it was rough. After it was broken in more and I became more used to it, it felt really nice. No slippage whatsoever is awesome.

Your clutch was slipping with all 100 whp? that thing must have been really jacked

[D1sclaimer]

Your clutch was slipping with all 100 whp? that thing must have been really jacked

I posted a picture of the stock clutch on the page before this one.

[D1sclaimer]

For some reason, "National Backorder" means that it will ship out from them the next day because thats what happened. Got the wideband today. Put it in and hooked it up.

Tomorrows plans are to tune after I get out of class. Gonna try my 80whp shot at MAM tomorrow since I don't have any bigger jets lol. My rear tires are bald too so I may spin.

[D1sclaimer]

I tuned it today and then went to MAM. I could not get traction to save my life unlike usual. I even tried launching at 2k and was still spinning off of the launch. Don't know if it is my near bald tires, or just the track was shitty tonight. (Or all of the massive power my car makes at 2k rpms)

First run was an 8.6, then an 8.7, then a 9.2 spinning like crazy. I got angry and let the car sit for a while. Got back at it again and ran an 8.6@86mph and was still spinning all through first.

Went for another run, already did a burnout, and at the tree. It goes through the sequence, I launch and heard a pop and my car went nowhere. I didn't even move 1 inch. I thought it was my differential since thats what normally goes first in these cars. When we got it up on a flatbed, we looked at it and am now sure its just a broken axle. GAY.

[millertime]

weak, what's that gonna cost to replace?

[supersayianjim]

gay to the 7th power. are you going to get upgraded(stage 2-do they have those for s2k) units or stock ones??

[D1sclaimer]

weak, what's that gonna cost to replace?
Haven't had a chance to look at what parts cost yet.

Heres what Honda wants for them. ****ing ridiculous if you ask me.

3 42310-S2A-951 DRIVESHAFT ASSY., R. No Color $447.21
4 42311-S2A-951 DRIVESHAFT ASSY., L. No Color $447.21
gay to the 7th power. are you going to get upgraded(stage 2-do they have those for s2k) units or stock ones??

There is 1 company that makes aftermarket axles. They cost 1000 dollars. I think I'll just get the lifetime warranty cheap ones from someplace or try to find a cheap used one. I just want it up and running right now. I'll worry about upgrading the rear and axles after I get tuned in June.

[D1sclaimer]

Reman stock axle ordered. It was only 50 bucks.

[supersayianjim]

^^ u win!!

[Cobra Commander]

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/9617786-post1.html

[D1sclaimer]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

****in assholes

[D1sclaimer]

I also got my 3rd intercooler today. Looks to be fine. Haven't gotten a chance to get a close look at everything yet though.

I got my new turbo last week. They sent me a cast wheel turbo and I didn't even pay attention until like a week after I got it. Now its the billet 67/65.

[millertime]

That thread is worthless without pics.
Did you get your spray fixed?
Posted via Mobile Device

[Maas]

That thread is worthless without pics.
Did you get your spray fixed?
Posted via Mobile Device

x2

[D1sclaimer]

I'll take some pics with my crappy point and shoot.

I ordered a new part. It was just that WOT microswitch that broke. ****ing 10 dollar part.

That would also explain why when I was trying to tune it, it was softening and cutting out. I couldn't figure that out. One of the prongs on it broke off and would touch back down when accelerating and bounce on and off that point. On the dyno, I wasn't moving so it wouldn't touch back down where it broke from. I'm gonna be going back to C&S to redyno sometime next week hopefully.

[D1sclaimer]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5824/dscf0223.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9117/dscf0239b.jpg

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[srt-4_uk]

wot microswitch is always a fail
tps or nothing

[D1sclaimer]

For the 1 week that I'll use it again, I'll just buy a new microswitch.

[D1sclaimer]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3180/dscf0244.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7338/dscf0243.jpg

http://www.injectordynamics.com/ID2000SumData.bmp

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9084/dscf0242l.jpg

[millertime]

I'm gonna rob you of those injectors!

[D1sclaimer]

Just try it foo.

[millertime]

I only want two!

[D1sclaimer]

Only 2? Whys that? School my noob ass. I thought rotaries like yours still used 4 primary and 4 secondary injectors?

I can't dyno at C&S this weekend anytime since Tom is busy and was booked all this week. If I cant get in by early-mid next week, I'm just gonna say screw it because I've gotta get the ball rolling to get everything done. I already paid my deposit for my tune on June 25 and 26. I'll be going down to KC and we're flying Mase out to tune a group of us.

[millertime]

2 primaries and 2 secondaries, generally small primaries for good streetability and large secondaries (I currently have two 1680s) for all the fuel needed under boost.

remind me as the tuning day gets closer, I might try and take off work and come down with ya. I'd love to see a professional s2k tuning session.

[D1sclaimer]

Word, son.

[Maas]

I'd love to bring the HD handy cam and get some footage of said tuning.

[D1sclaimer]

That'd be cool. Anyone could come as long as you can drive or car pool down.

I talked to Tom at C&S this weekend. He is fully booked for a long long time at his shop. I'm saying **** it. Gonna pull my head on Friday. Get that checked out and then put on another stock head gasket with a spacer so I can lower my compression.

[Maas]

Just curious, why are you lowering your compression right now?

Are you getting close to boosting it?

[D1sclaimer]

I just want to get it ready to tune. I have the worst luck with stupid stuff going wrong and holding stuff up.

Just like it took over 3 months to get all of my stuff from my turbo kit. Just like my WOT switch broke and didn't work on the dyno. Just like having an axle break which is almost unheard of at my low ass power level.

[D1sclaimer]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6223/dscf0247n.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4919/dscf0249u.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5372/dscf0250hr.jpg

[srt-4_uk]

Why 2 walbros instead of a bosch? I question that everytime I see a dual walbro setup.

[D1sclaimer]

I was originally thinking about doing an inline Bosch 044 pump. It'd be cheaper for sure and perform well.

No real reason really to be honest. :dunno: This will work fine for what I need as would the inline Bosch pump.

[D1sclaimer]

Well I found out that I would have to cut my main frame rails to make the intercooler fit. I found a guy who will modify my intercooler end tanks so I will not have to cut my frame rails.

I also found out that InlinePRO has even more idiots working for them. I put my charge pipe on that goes to the throttle body. The flange for the BOV sticks up. The hoods wont close and hits the flange when the BOV isn't even installed either.

Here is my car.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7404/downsized0517001700.jpg


This is what its supposed to look like.

http://www.inlinepro.com/s1/images/stage2_3.jpg

[pokaspeed]

Well I found out that I would have to cut my main frame rails to make the intercooler fit. I found a guy who will modify my intercooler end tanks so I will not have to cut my frame rails.

I also found out that InlinePRO has even more idiots working for them. I put my charge pipe on that goes to the throttle body. The flange for the BOV sticks up. The hoods wont close and hits the flange when the BOV isn't even installed either.

Here is my car.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7404/downsized0517001700.jpg


This is what its supposed to look like.

http://www.inlinepro.com/s1/images/stage2_3.jpg

Id be pissed. Are they sending you a new one? I'd take that one and smash it with a hammer and send it back. Its good for nothing now anyways.

[D1sclaimer]

I emailed them. I hope they will help me especially after how much trouble I've had with them so far.

[srt-4_uk]

That blows.

[ali]

That blows.

MY ****!!!!

[millertime]

if they're a ***** about it just find someone to cut and re-weld that section for you. What BOV are you using? looks like a greddy style flange, but that doesn't look like a greddy bov in the second picture. I'm trying to figure out which bov to use myself

[racer91]

thread ruined.

that is all

[srt-4_uk]

I'm trying to figure out which bov to use myself

Synapse

[D1sclaimer]

What BOV are you using? looks like a greddy style flange, but that doesn't look like a greddy bov in the second picture. I'm trying to figure out which bov to use myself

The BOV in the second picture is what I will be running. I don't know who makes it. Theres no markings on it. Everyone just calls it the "InlinePro BOV" since they include it in all of their turbo kits. I believe it is a Greddy style flange.

Heres Scotts car which is running the same BOV.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/dsddcd/?action=view&current=Test.flv

[D1sclaimer]

Supposedly there is something else that I have to remove to properly position the pipe according to another person who used this kit before. So I may be in luck.... I'll look into it more tomorrow.

My buddy delivered my fuel lines to me tonight. He lives in Lincoln and had an s2000 last year that he had a turbo with very nice parts on it. He ended up buying a house and parting it out before he even got it tuned. I was lucky since I got the 8AN hardlines, hoses, and connectors for a fair price.

[GC8U]

Can't wait to see this done!

[D1sclaimer]

I just want to get it ready to tune. I have the worst luck with stupid stuff going wrong and holding stuff up.

Just like it took over 3 months to get all of my stuff from my turbo kit. Just like my WOT switch broke and didn't work on the dyno. Just like having an axle break which is almost unheard of at my low ass power level.
Just like how my BOV flange was put on the pipe wrong.

[D1sclaimer]

Good news. They're actually helping me out and sending me a new pipe today with a check to pay for shipping my current one back.

Hopefully that does the trick and the pipe they send me isn't the same.

[Stein]

Sucks to hear all the trouble you had with the supplier. DIY fabrication on the fly FTW! That was the only way I KNEW everything on my turbo build would fit.

[supersayianjim]

project is comming along.

[slvr_skittle]

can't wait to see this done :nervous:

[D1sclaimer]

Did some stuff tonight. Heres how it looks as of now.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3028/downsized0521001947.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5357/downsized0521001947a.jpg

[slvr_skittle]

Are you going to relocate fuse box/ac line or have a heatshield?

BTW it looks seks!

[D1sclaimer]

I'm gonna try to make a heat shield. Later on, I was gonna buy an A/C line relocation kit, but for now the goal is to just get everything running fine.

[D1sclaimer]

I received my new charge pipe today. I took some pics to compare them together.

This one is comparing them with the pipes in similar positions.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1451/dscf0256.jpg

This one is comparing them with the BOV flanges in similar positions.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/861/dscf0257g.jpg

[millertime]

what a **** up!

[matt]

looks good man, cant wait to see it done (secrectly I <3 s2k's)

[millertime]

I'm coming for ya TJ, I'm also getting the ID2000s and either the 6265 or 6765, should order then both in the next 3 weeks.

[swaggy853]

I'm coming for ya TJ, I'm also getting the ID2000s and either the 6265 or 6765, should order then both in the next 3 weeks.

for what?

[millertime]

the FD, gotta pay rent then I can play with what's left

[D1sclaimer]

I'm coming for ya TJ, I'm also getting the ID2000s and either the 6265 or 6765, should order then both in the next 3 weeks.

copycat. ;)

From what I hear, they're amazing injectors. They're just expensive as **** though. 2200cc saturated injectors are unreal.

If you're getting the 62 compressor wheel, I would suggest the 6262 instead. The 6265 is more meant for v8s since they push a lot more air than our smaller engines and is only slightly rated 10hp higher and a little more lag. The general consensus with the s2000 guys who have used both is that its gonna be the same as the 6262, but with just more lag.

On comparison though, Fitz's turbo is huge.... He said that his is the equivalent to about a GT40. Maybe rotaries need huge turbines since they do move more air.

[millertime]

I'm coming for ya TJ, I'm also getting the ID2000s and either the 6265 or 6765, should order then both in the next 3 weeks.

copycat. ;)

From what I hear, they're amazing injectors. They're just expensive as **** though. 2200cc saturated injectors are unreal.

If you're getting the 62 compressor wheel, I would suggest the 6262 instead. The 6265 is more meant for v8s since they push a lot more air than our smaller engines and is only slightly rated 10hp higher and a little more lag. The general consensus with the s2000 guys who have used both is that its gonna be the same as the 6262, but with just more lag.

On comparison though, Fitz's turbo is huge.... He said that his is the equivalent to about a GT40. Maybe rotaries need huge turbines since they do move more air.

you got it, and I'm looking forward to giving those injectors a spin, it's rediculous, I'm really attracted to not needing resistors I've currently got resistors with the 1600s I've got and it just adds to the mess.

I really like this turbo, anti-surge s-cover with the divided 1.00 a/r v-band turbine
http://realstreetperformance.com/store/precision-billet-6765-turbo-with-twin-scroll-divided-t4-housing-1341.html
that's just all sorts of sexy.

[D1sclaimer]

Are you gonna run a twinscroll setup on your rx7? Will everything fit in the engine bay?

Why just a baby S cover? HP cover FTW!

[millertime]

IC piping is only 2 inches, and it'll all fit

[¿umop apisdn]

I'd go Holset.

[jwcardy]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6223/dscf0247n.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4919/dscf0249u.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5372/dscf0250hr.jpg

well damn...this blows lol...i tried to get full blown to build these 2years ago when we were building my boys 35r s2k...nice to finally see he went ahead with them...
-wes

[b18crx]

Very nice!! this is the first time ive checked your WL. I know you dont know me but im always willing to help boost a honda lol. cant wait to see it done.

[D1sclaimer]

I got my intercooler back on friday night. I had John Royal modify it since InlinePro wanted me to cut my frame rails to make the intercooler fit. I said **** that and had the intercooler hacked up a little bit instead. Its rated at 1200hp so I don't think what we did will affect me since I will be no where near close to that.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9567/downsized0531001932.jpg

I was gonna see if I can get him to make something for the intercooler to mount up to the bolt in the top of this picture through the hole on the bottom part of the rail.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/406/downsized0531001927.jpg

[D1sclaimer]

Very nice!! this is the first time ive checked your WL. I know you dont know me but im always willing to help boost a honda lol. cant wait to see it done.

Thanks man.

[D1sclaimer]

Well I test fitted the front bumper and noticed something that I didn't like.

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9575/downsized0531002122.jpg

It appears that I am not the only one with this issue either. Heres another guy's same intercooler.
http://www.s2ki.com/gallery/image/medium/579297.jpg


I don't know if I will continue to run this intercooler for a while after I get tuned. I really don't like it.

[supersayianjim]

nice fab work. but have him cut it shorter. or you can hide that with a lip and an alum shroud(just for the ic).

[Yngvar]

On the twin pumps what are they using to run the two lines together?

[D1sclaimer]

On the twin pumps what are they using to run the two lines together?

On the top of the hanger, its just the feed line and return line. Inside the hanger it pretty much Y's them together, but more of an L shape if I had to call it anything.

[D1sclaimer]

nice fab work. but have him cut it shorter. or you can hide that with a lip and an alum shroud(just for the ic).

My buddy has a spare lip. I may have to use his.

Thanks for the idea. :Thumb:

[matt]

oh thats shitty, I would deff run a front lip.

[supersayianjim]

and it dosent have to be a honda specific lip. i goy this off a vw passat and fabbed it up.


http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr317/supersayianjim/project%20s-rb/SL731664.jpg


and viola


http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr317/supersayianjim/project%20s-rb/newliplook.jpg

[bimmerbrian]

Yea just throw a lip on it and call it good. It's a win win situation with one.

[D1sclaimer]

I put the tapped pan on a couple of days ago and the Hondabond should be fully cured now. I feel kinda stupid after trying to find an oil pan gasket and finding out that it doesn't use one.

Now, another **** up. I noticed a couple other people with the ID2000 injectors looked different than mine. I emailed Tony at T1racedevelopment and I was sent the wrong tops. I was sent the injectors with tops for 06+ s2000s. Now I gotta **** with this **** too. Is it really that hard to not **** up on orders? I mean just about everything I've ordered from multiple companies has had **** wrong.

[slvr_skittle]

I put the tapped pan on a couple of days ago and the Hondabond should be fully cured now. I feel kinda stupid after trying to find an oil pan gasket and finding out that it doesn't use one.

Now, another **** up. I noticed a couple other people with the ID2000 injectors looked different than mine. I emailed Tony at T1racedevelopment and I was sent the wrong tops. I was sent the injectors with tops for 06+ s2000s. Now I gotta **** with this **** too. Is it really that hard to not **** up on orders? I mean just about everything I've ordered from multiple companies has had **** wrong.

I can't believe you're having so many issues with reputable retailers...bad luck?

[D1sclaimer]

That should be my nickname.

[D1sclaimer]

LOLOL **** MY LUCK

Okay, so the situation with the injectors was an easier fix according to Tony at T1R. All I have to do is swap out the tops.

He sent the correct tops out. I received them today. Well, the package ripped and I only received 2 of the 4 tops. It is also missing some of the o-rings.

[roo]

I didn't realize you actually owned one of these cars

[D1sclaimer]

Someday, I will own 2. Daily another one like I did this one for 2 years and have this one for the track.

[D1sclaimer]

**** UPS. Everything from them is beat to **** when it arrives.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5218/downsized0611001552.jpg

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1341/downsized0611001552a.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/2789/downsized0611001552b.jpg

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/9162/downsized0611001554a.jpg

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2504/0611001554.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8855/dscf0254.jpg

[millertime]

nevermind, I was looking at the place you bought them from and didn't notice the s2k option was for a set of 4, thank god I only need to buy 2, these get ****ing expensive when you need just a few.

[D1sclaimer]

You're telling me.

[supersayianjim]

wow. my packages from them never look that bad..

[slvr_skittle]

I hate UPS

[D1sclaimer]

He sent me another set. The new set is missing a washer that the first package was missing all of. I'm gonna see if I can find one at Lowes.

This is really ****ing annoying. I don't even feel like working on it or finishing it.

[matt]

Jesus man That is some shitty luck, it would be hard for me to stay motivated with all of those **** ups coming at me like that. lol

[D1sclaimer]

lol

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=797117

[D1sclaimer]

Well, I figured out the issue with the hanger. Every single person except 1 person kept telling me the wrong thing. But it was a bit of a trick to get everything to fit fine too, but the dual pump hanger with pumps and fuel strainers are in the tank and bolted down.

I also received my t-bolts today. I really don't get why my kit came with worm drive hose clamps. I already have the t-bolts all on except to the intercooler.

I didn't like my haggard relay harnesses that I had going to the fuel pumps so I ordered new ones and received them today. I'll see if I can rewire everything tonight.

I also received my Maxi fuse adapter today so I will wire that into the wire that runs to power the fuel pumps. I just gotta find a place that sells that huge fuse for 30 amps. I see Walmart sells them for stereo stuff, but I think it was a 40 amp one.

Stuff to do to finish:
1. Still ****ing with the intercooler. Just waiting on a couple of things I had to order and then it'll bolt right up.
2. Finish the fuel lines since I was waiting to finish the pump hanger first. They're already in place, just need to be cut to length and put the fittings on so it can bolt onto the hard lines.
3. Vacuum lines (wastegate, boost solenoid, BOV, FPR, boost gauge)
4. Oil
5. Coolant
6. Get the down pipe mated to the exhaust.
7. Tuned

[KyleJ]

I really do enjoy this project. What kind of numbers are you expecting?

[millertime]

OVER 9000!

[D1sclaimer]

You're gonna laugh at me, but I'm hoping for at least 500whp at C&S. I'm getting tuned on a dynocom which is a modified dynojet. I don't want to play the guessing game comparing dynos so after I'm done, I'll run it at C&S and see.

[millertime]

when and where are you getting it tuned? didn't you say something a while back about a well known and respected s2000 tuner coming somewhere close-ish and you were driving there to get it tuned?

[D1sclaimer]

It was originally scheduled for June 25th and 26th, but the tuning days got pushed back to July 9th and 10th. I got lucky with that because I'll need the extra couple of weeks. We are flying Mase (Stephen Mason) out to tune us at House of Boost in KC.
http://maseengineering.com/
http://www.houseofboost.com/

Theres 12 people getting tuned overall. A couple of K20s and an NA s2000. The rest are all boosted. :) A couple have already laid down over 500whp on a dynojet with him tuning them and are getting tuned for more power.

[D1sclaimer]

Stuff to do to finish:
1. Still ****ing with the intercooler. Just waiting on a couple of things I had to order and then it'll bolt right up. They shipped out yesterday.
2. One of my AN connectors is leaking. I didn't initially overtighten it, but it kept leaking, so I kept tightening it. Its leaking through the "swivel" part of it so I guess I will order another of a different brand this time.
3. I forgot about the wiring. I still have to wire the boost solenoid in and the wideband into the EMS. When I rigged it up before, it was just to the gauge and not to the EMS. Shouldn't be hard.
4. I decided to change my wastegate spring from just the 7psi spring to a 7 and a 5 for 12psi total. Gotta order the extra spring.
4. Coolant
5. Get the down pipe mated to the exhaust.
6. Tuned

[Boostedbuford]

Congrats on getting it up and running

[D1sclaimer]

Congrats on getting it up and running

Thanks. I'm ****ing pumped now.

[D1sclaimer]

Getting closer. The car is running as it is, but I need to finish up stuff.

Except for finishing up the wiring, I'm just waiting for the rest of the stuff. My buddy was gonna hook me up on my exhaust after I receive the parts I ordered for it.


Stuff to do to finish:
1. One of my AN connectors is leaking. I didn't initially overtighten it, but it kept leaking, so I kept tightening it. Its leaking through the "swivel" part of it so I guess I will order another of a different brand this time.
2. I forgot about the wiring. I still have to wire the boost solenoid in and the wideband into the EMS. When I rigged it up before, it was just to the gauge and not to the EMS. Shouldn't be hard.
3. I decided to change my wastegate spring from just the 7psi spring to a 7 and a 5 for 12psi total. Gotta order the extra spring.
4. Get the down pipe mated to the exhaust.
5. Tuned

[millertime]

so close! FYI I might drive down to KC for the tuning session when I get off work on friday and take saturday off. I'll see what's going on and let ya know if ya don't mind me tagging along.

[D1sclaimer]

Thats cool. I'm driving down friday morning myself. I'm not scheduled to get tuned until Saturday morning.

I'm planning on getting a hotel for friday night/saturday morning and a couple of my other buddies are gonna split it with me. Did you want to room with us for a couple of bucks?

[millertime]

maybe, if I do come down on Friday night I probably won't get there till a little before 2 so I could just crash on the floor, but I'd be willing to throw in a little bit for a room. What time on Saturday are you supposed to tune at and when does the tuning actually start on Friday?

[D1sclaimer]

I'm scheduled for first on Saturday.

Both Friday and Saturday, I'm thinking 8-9ish for starting each day.

[slvr_skittle]

this is getting real close to getting done!

[D1sclaimer]

this is getting real close to getting done!

Yes sir!



Now heres my to do list:

1. Finally finish wiring tonight.
2. I was a noob and tried to cheap out on heat sleeves. I wrapped wire loom over my vacuum lines to the wastegate and the loom melted so I now have to throw a heat sleeve on the lines. I just bought the heat sleeve today and will finish that tonight too.
3. Have Dieselgeek on NESS help me get a cruising tune so I can drive down to KC. We will do this on this Wednesday.
4. Still waiting on my new extra wastegate spring.
4. Exhaust

[bimmerbrian]

Dieselgeek is a damn good guy and knows how to get **** running smooth. He said he was going to help me out with things with the MS and has always been there. Good guy in my opinion.

[srt-4_uk]

What he said. He helped me with the neon.

[D1sclaimer]

Yeah, he seems like a really cool guy and knows his stuff.

I got done with the wiring and heat sleeve.

So now the list is:
1. Dieselgeek cruising tune.
2. Extra wastegate spring when that arrives.
3. Exhaust.
4. Tune.

[Boostedbuford]

Sign me up for a ride.:woot:

[D1sclaimer]

Geek stopped over at my house today. We were gonna do stuff, but we both got confused on my injectors on how they fit the intake manifold. We didn't have much time either. After asking around on the forums, think I figured it out.

We're gonna go at it again tomorrow and he's gonna help me with tuning for the 4bar map sensor and 2000cc injectors.

My new extra wastegate spring should come tomorrow too. :storm: