CS 1.6

[toom1h]

Decided to hook my desktop back up, and got alittle bored so I pubbed for a min and started doing scrims..

Played 3 scrims and 5 teams have wanted me to join lol.... nothing like the good ol' days.

But yeah if anyone wants to play 1.6 ONLY let me know. **** source

[00dakotav8]

wish i had it :(

[toom1h]

****ing dirt cheap to get 1.6 lol

[00dakotav8]

^still way too expensive for me. I have 0 dollars and 6 cents.

[toom1h]

weak

[Lepa]

valve is weak.

[Kelvin]

source ftw

[toom1h]

source ftl....

[Lepa]

whats cs 1.6 and what is this source u speak of?

[toom1h]

counterstrike. dont play dumb.

[DarkSlide]

I just wish Steam would work on my comp, last time I tried the damn thing didn't want to load CSS

[Lepa]

owned.

[Tushick]

starting up source right now

[spoonraker]

I'm down but I'll probably only be on late nights, MSN/AIM is in my profile and my xfire is spoonraker

[dave]

1.6 is your pussies. and dont give me that typical ****.....

go play pong or get with the times.

[toom1h]

^that didn't make sense to me atleast. congrats.

[spoonraker]

He's one of those people that don't understand that new technology doesn't always = better gameplay

[toom1h]

Ah ha get it now, i still play pong here and there.
and just throwing it out there dave... i dont care

[dave]

He's one of those people that don't understand that new technology doesn't always = better gameplay

wow, dont try to pretend like you know what i do or do not understand.

perhaps you just dont like source because you suck at it.

You can be just as amazingly good in source that you can in 1.6

that tells me that it takes skill.

[spoonraker]

Actually I like both Source and 1.6, I just believe 1.6 plays better. I'm actually better at Source, I competed in CEVO-P in source.

[toom1h]

He's one of those people that don't understand that new technology doesn't always = better gameplay

wow, dont try to pretend like you know what i do or do not understand.

perhaps you just dont like source because you suck at it.

You can be just as amazingly good in source that you can in 1.6

that tells me that it takes skill.

im actually alot better in source then 1.6... but i like the ability to wall and some other things.
I still prefer 1.6 over source. simply fact, get the sand out of your gina.

[dave]

He's one of those people that don't understand that new technology doesn't always = better gameplay

wow, dont try to pretend like you know what i do or do not understand.

perhaps you just dont like source because you suck at it.

You can be just as amazingly good in source that you can in 1.6

that tells me that it takes skill.

im actually alot better in source then 1.6... but i like the ability to wall and some other things.
I still prefer 1.6 over source. simply fact, get the sand out of your gina.

well there you have it....
and what do you mean by ability to wall?

[DarkSlide]

Haxors.

[dave]

you cant be serious?
hacking takes all the fun out of the game. i guess i wouldnt know because i have never hacked. but i refuse to use cheat codes in other games for that reason....

[DarkSlide]

I kinda stopped playing after Jeigh got everyone banned because he hacked and they assumed everyone with the [Lincoln] tag hacked. And then my steam ****ed up.

[toom1h]

I never walled, I never wanted to because it woulda been a waste of time and competition goes down the drain.

1.6 you CAN shoot through walls, and if you've played long enough and learned spam spots you should understand what I mean.

Source, well you can't.

[dsmdarryl]

I kinda stopped playing after Jeigh got everyone banned because he hacked and they assumed everyone with the [Lincoln] tag hacked. And then my steam ****ed up.


lol what the **** are you talking about?

just because you got banned from one server you quit playing?

steam bans people by the steam ID numbers... if you go to console and type status it will bring up a list of people in the server along with their steam ID's and some other info.

if you got banned from vac servers it does have any association with the tag you have. jeigh might have came over to your house and dl'd hax and then got all of your accounts seperately perma banned lol, very good possibility.

[dsmdarryl]

oh and spoon...

what team did you play for as far as that season of cevo p.

[toom1h]

I assume they mean the nebraska server. I never played on it, I never cared enough to either lol.

[spoonraker]

My CEVO CSS team was called Infallible.

Me, BigNasty, Torello, James (he had a zillion aliases), chlor0, and azreal and a few other guys. I founded that team with james but I quit before we got real competitive and started playing LANs.

Anyway when DJ says he likes to "wall" what he means is shoot through walls. In 1.6 you can shoot through just about anything, even 10 foot thick concrete walls, and it's a big part of the strategy of that game. In Source you can only shoot through realistic things like thin wood doors, boxes, and stuff like that, and the bullets lose much of their impact when you do.

[dave]

did that azreal guy live in omaha and used to host a 1.6 server way back in the day?

[Reaper]

Ah I remember the days on husker server. I was p3wning decently. Jeigh lol. I'll be playing CSS again next week probally.

[dsmdarryl]

lol... i'll rape some kids on source when i get it.

i think i'm getting 1.6 here in a day or two.

[spoonraker]

did that azreal guy live in omaha and used to host a 1.6 server way back in the day?

Honestly I don't know, he was one of our newest members and I was pretty much inactive at that time, I only talked to him a few times.

[dsmdarryl]

just bought 1.6 :)

its at about 20% right now. i'll post up when its done and what server im in

[dsmdarryl]

finished up dl'ing it and then played around in a deathmatch. 33-19 when i left. pretty decent for me! lol i expected an even ratio

[DarkSlide]

I stopped playing btw because I had to work all the time...and Steam ****ed up on me.

[baggedmazda]

how much was 1.6 i am wanting more games to play i am getting kinda tired of bf2 all the time i have 2142 but hated how everyone played and my gfx card pulled horrable fps in it

[dsmdarryl]

$9.95 son

i probably wont play that much because vent makes my game lag. i think its something with my ISP because when i do an internet speed test i get shitty results compared to what they used to be.

[spoonraker]

I was wayyyyyy rustier than I thought I would be lol

[dsmdarryl]

lol im starting to get better at 1.6

[toom1h]

Lol mind you paul this is only like my third day even using my desktop computer.

I did notice some things after we quit, spent like half an hour working out bugs. My interp was way gay, it was like .19 which means the boxes won't be exactly on the head, usually its at .009 (cpl config)
fps_max was at only at 80, some other touchy things, such as my interp. Next time we play I'll actually give a ****, we decided to say **** it the scrim before because our ringers kept being gay.

[dsmdarryl]

lol can't the eye only see 60 fps anyways?

[toom1h]

it tampers with rates/lag, you could have it set up 101 101 25000 but if fps is set at 101, you could get less then half that.

[dsmdarryl]

CL_FLUSHENTITYPACKET FTMFL

[toom1h]

So are you going to get that **** fixed or what

[dsmdarryl]

i don't know how to fix it.

[toom1h]

Re-boot your modem. Leave it unplugged for 30+ seconds.

Talk to paul on that.

His problem is that his computer is fine with CS running by itself, but when vent and cs are both open he has issues.

Seems to obviously be either an internet signal is too weak, or his computer is being gay. But he use to run source, so I'm not exactly sure.

Could be the fact you have so much **** on there.

[dsmdarryl]

my hdd has always been nearly full...

the issue is that i'm getting a shittier than normal down speed. i dunno what is causing it, but its very frustrating. i was all pumped to scrim earlier.

[BossRoss]

i play solitaire

[spoonraker]

There's a way to run ventrilo in "low priority" mode which uses less resources. I suggest trying that.

Also if your hard drive is nearly full....then delete some stuff, and defrag it.

[dsmdarryl]

why would my hdd's available space affect my internet's down/up speed?

[spoonraker]

It shouldn't, I wasn't suggesting that it would help your speed, it's just a good idea lol

When there are no obvious problems with a computer, but it's slowing down, that usually means it's time to format. Fighting viruses and spyware is usually more trouble than it's worth. Backup the essentials and wipe the drive.

One thing you could try to at least test is to start your computer in "Safe Mode with Networking Support" that loads up Windows with absolutely no programs on startup and no drivers other than what is needed to give you internet access. If your download speed returns to what it should be in this mode that means that some program that is running is limiting you, if it's still slow that means you better call your ISP.

[dsmdarryl]

It shouldn't, I wasn't suggesting that it would help your speed, it's just a good idea lol

When there are no obvious problems with a computer, but it's slowing down, that usually means it's time to format. Fighting viruses and spyware is usually more trouble than it's worth. Backup the essentials and wipe the drive.

One thing you could try to at least test is to start your computer in "Safe Mode with Networking Support" that loads up Windows with absolutely no programs on startup and no drivers other than what is needed to give you internet access. If your download speed returns to what it should be in this mode that means that some program that is running is limiting you, if it's still slow that means you better call your ISP.

i just formatted this drive about a month ago. alls i really have on here are my essentials as this thing is a 20 gig hdd lol

i'm playing 1.sex right now with vent open but its not lagging!! i'm pretty pumped. maybe its because nobody is talking in vent. a friend of mine would lag only when people were talking a lot.

[spoonraker]

What kind of a PC is this on, with a 20Gb hard drive I suspect it could just be a weak computer causing the problem.

When you play CS, close everything except vent and cs.

Go into a server in both CS and vent and then minimize and open your task manager and check your CPU usage. If you notice it spiking when you talk, or just being too high in general, that is probably your problem.

Go into msconfig (start > run > "msconfig") and go to startup and disable all startup programs, reboot and see if that has any effect.

[dsmdarryl]

What kind of a PC is this on, with a 20Gb hard drive I suspect it could just be a weak computer causing the problem.

When you play CS, close everything except vent and cs.

Go into a server in both CS and vent and then minimize and open your task manager and check your CPU usage. If you notice it spiking when you talk, or just being too high in general, that is probably your problem.

Go into msconfig (start > run > "msconfig") and go to startup and disable all startup programs, reboot and see if that has any effect.

lol, i built this pc, a while ago lol... 3700+ clawhammer, evga 6600GT.

counter strike is a very cpu intensive game. with this specific cpu i know i'm at 100% the G15 tells me so.

[spoonraker]

Also, after rereading this page, I don't know what exactly your problem is.

Is your internet speed slower in general, regardless of CS/Vent? Or is this a problem that only arises when either vent/cs/both are loaded?

go to start > run > type in "cmd" and then in the command prompt type in "ping www.google.com -t" and let it run for a minute or two, hit ctrl+c to stop it, and see if you have any significant packet loss occurring.

[dsmdarryl]

i get 70-80 ping. then i hit the talk button in vent and talk and it goes up to the 180's.

[dsmdarryl]

its process priority is 'normal'

its either normal or high.

i feel like my internet is just slower in general.

[spoonraker]

Ahh so you get the wonderful ping spikes when you talk, I've heard of that before.

Try a different vent server, one with a lower quality audio codec, see if the problem is still there.

Basically something is using your upload bandwith.

[spoonraker]

Also run a speed test on your connection and see what your upload/download speed is to begin with. Make sure you're getting what your ISP advertised.

[dsmdarryl]

just restarted my computer in safe mode with networking. got similar numbers.

does this narrow it down to the ISP or are there some other things I could look at?

[dsmdarryl]

Also run a speed test on your connection and see what your upload/download speed is to begin with. Make sure you're getting what your ISP advertised.

yeah that's what i've been doing. i used to get about 1200 down/230ish up

now its like 1000 down and 70 up

[spoonraker]

ouch....70kbs upload is pretty low

did you try the ping test to check for packet loss?

start > run > "cmd" > "ping www.google.com -t" let it run for a few minutes, then hit ctrl+c to stop it. It will display your results.

[dsmdarryl]

lol ctrl+c closes it!

it just showed me how many bytes, ping, and TTL whatever that is.


32 bytes, about 70-ish ping with a spike that went to 2k ms, and ttl was 224

[spoonraker]

ctrl+c stops the ping from running, it doesn't close the window. It should show you statistics like packets sent/recieved, loss, average ping, min/max ping

you need to type "cmd" into the start > run and THEN type "ping google.com -t" into the command prompt window that pops up, don't just type "ping google.com -t" into the start > run menu

[dsmdarryl]

packets: sent = 117, received = 117, lost = 0 (0% loss)

minimum = 74ms, maximum = 83ms, average 76ms

[spoonraker]

hmmm....

I would contact your ISP and ask them if 70k is what you should be getting for upload.

[dave]

wow, this conversation turned retarded fast.

[spoonraker]

^ ?

[Cotnerdude]

I just bought 1.6 so whats all of your steam names?

[toom1h]

It'd be easier to give me your login name lol

[Thunder]

cs 1.sux

[toom1h]

Still rock your face at source anyways..

[Thunder]

never said you couldn't, doesnt change the fact that 1.6 looks like its from 1998..... ohhh waiit....

[toom1h]

I hardly think the graphics are that bad compared to source.

Source needs bugs worked out first before I would ever think about buying it

[Thunder]

I hardly think the graphics are that bad compared to source.

Source needs bugs worked out first before I would ever think about buying it

you still haven't clearly explained what "bugs" there are. And to say the graphics aren't bad compared to source is like saying a 1974 Mustang II doesn't look bad compared to a 2004 Mustang Cobra.

[toom1h]

The looking through the wall glitches, the flash glitches, the hitbox glitches etc

[Cotnerdude]

Cotnerdude I am on getting on now...

[spoonraker]

The looking through the wall glitches, the flash glitches, the hitbox glitches etc

Looking through walls glitch? Never heard of this one...please eleborate. A LONG time ago there was a command that was left unlocked by mistake that was basically a wallhack, obviously this has been fixed. Also some people were saying that in certain areas shadows are visible through walls, this was again a very old issue.

Flash glitches? Again I'm not familiar with this one. I heard reports of flash bang grenades causing people's desktop icons to sort of burn through to the game screen, but this was simply caused by graphics drivers. If that's not right then again...explain yourself

Hitbox glitches don't exist, period. You are a 1.6 player, and while adjusting to source you don't do as well so you blame the game. I remember when the game first came out almost everybody was complaining about the hit boxes being way off, blah blah blah. Source models are sized and proportioned differently, the guns have different more random spray patterns, they physics of when you can shoot accurately have changed greatly. I don't care what you say or what "proof" you post, the hitboxes are fine. Source just doesn't play identical to 1.6

but seriously explain the first two because I'm a long time source player and have never experience glitches with looking through walls or with flash bangs, nor have I heard of any.

[Thunder]

The looking through the wall glitches, the flash glitches, the hitbox glitches etc

Looking through walls glitch? Never heard of this one...please eleborate. A LONG time ago there was a command that was left unlocked by mistake that was basically a wallhack, obviously this has been fixed. Also some people were saying that in certain areas shadows are visible through walls, this was again a very old issue.

Flash glitches? Again I'm not familiar with this one. I heard reports of flash bang grenades causing people's desktop icons to sort of burn through to the game screen, but this was simply caused by graphics drivers. If that's not right then again...explain yourself

Hitbox glitches don't exist, period. You are a 1.6 player, and while adjusting to source you don't do as well so you blame the game. I remember when the game first came out almost everybody was complaining about the hit boxes being way off, blah blah blah. Source models are sized and proportioned differently, the guns have different more random spray patterns, they physics of when you can shoot accurately have changed greatly. I don't care what you say or what "proof" you post, the hitboxes are fine. Source just doesn't play identical to 1.6

but seriously explain the first two because I'm a long time source player and have never experience glitches with looking through walls or with flash bangs, nor have I heard of any.


^^^ Pretty much. With Source, I heard you have to shoot slightly in front of a moving player (If hes moving to the right, shoot just a bit further to the right) The reasoning for that is, they are taking into account the time it takes a bullet to reach that person, so they adjust the hitbox accordingly. I haven't seen any "glitches"

[Lepa]

i know a part on dust2 for long a to peek thru if ur coming from t side.

[Lepa]

Wall - Couple spots on dust2 you can look through the wall, such as long a, you can look through corner of a window. And see part of long a
Flash - you can through flashes under certain places on train, and on nuke that will flash and entire room. Looking at it or not.
Hitbox - Well if it's not a glitch, the game hitbox's are definatly different then on 1.6.

I don't have to have excuses.. I'll still own you too spoon....

-dj

[dsmdarryl]

here's a couple vids of the source hit box stuff.....


http://youtube.com/watch?v=fdRpYaQA8cU&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s4F1704aOFs&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x9aa5Gffa50&feature=related

[Cotnerdude]

So whats everybodys Xfie name?

Mine is cotnerdude add me bitches...

[toom1h]

i don't feel like adding you

but mine is toom1h

[dsmdarryl]

i don't use xfire because its teh lame

especially if you use steam friends. its just easier for me. one less program to have.

[JesterMX6]

ironically enough...steam doesnt interact with itself as smoothly as xfire does.

[spoonraker]

Those "Hitbox" videos people post are misleading and don't prove anything. There are a billion videos showing the hitboxes both being perfect and being way off. So if half the videos prove they are perfect and half prove they suck, how can you possibly use that as proof either way?

Counterstrike Source, just like any other online game, does it's best to compensate for latency. When people screw with their interpolation settings shot registration changes. Sometimes you can optimize it by changing the default value, sometimes it throws it way off. Sometimes servers are slow, sometimes they are fast.

The fact is...no game has 100% perfect registration all the time online. CSS in my experience has been more than adequate and comparable to any game that I have played, including 1.6.

Like I said, the hitboxes are fine, you just need to get used to the game.

The flashbang "glitch" is simply a map issue. The flashbangs themselves work fine, the problem lies when the map makers forget to make a surface of the level stop the effects of the flash. There are very few areas where this glitch exists, and they are all well known and banned from league play.

Same thing for the looking through walls glitch it's just a small isolated glitch on whatever map. Name one game where every single visible texture and invisible map area line up 100% perfectly? There are none.