How to fix the street scene?

[Alley]

First of all lets see if we can have our first serious topic on this forum. No whoring or stupid comments.

Now, everybody complains about the scene being dead. So how do we fix it? I've been doing my best the last couple months with the notion, "If you build it, they will come". Rather then just plan on meeting at Sams and talking and maybe getting some races going, which is lame.

I've been scedualing a time and place on Saturday nights to meet and start racing. I've been lineing up races in advance so there is already some races set up to run, then hoping more will follow with on sight callouts. Also been talking to friends in Omaha and getting them to come down here, since there in the same boat were in, there eager to come down when I tell them we have some **** already lined up and ready to go.

So far I think the scene has been pretty damn good. Sure its not what it was 5+ years ago. But you have to work with what you got. And this Saturday looks to be ****ing great.

So what do you guys think? What else can be done if anything to make the scene even better?

[ADV1]

I think the key is to get Omaha involved... scheduled events every other weekend or something... The more the merrier...

[c0z]

I was going to say get your old trans am back somehow, but that would've been borderline silly comment.

I say just do what you're doin, it might take a while to get better, aka next spring but I think eventually it will.

Every other weekend is way too often to try and schedule stuff like that IMO, that's how it becomes too normal and it dies out.

[rsisbetter]

^^^i disagree, i would think the more meets the better, which means more races, which turns into more shittalking/calling out, thus more races.

the biggest thing we COULD do, but might attract the wrong attention, would be flyers. to get people to join the site, if they're trust worthy and not rice, then get them to come also. the more people that know the more potential there is.
by far agree the most potential is in omaha. i think flyers would work good, but like i said, attract the wrong attention (i.e. the popo)

[rsisbetter]

holy ****! i have more posts than alley, rofl, pwnt!

[coop]

my thread wasnt to *****...but a serious question to what happened to the scene....i would say its too late this year to get involved....but there should be some considerations made this winter so next year doesnt blow as well...

[moparornocar]

I would say October is getting late , But if you shoot for a number of days some will miss and some will make it. Life take control most of the time but not all of the time. It's a numbers game, Find a few that can schedule when others can't and ultimately it should pick up. Fliers would be a bad idea if "Racing" is involved. An open forum is a good way to build up character and trust , But a "top Secret" racing section should be where actual sites or places are discussed with those that can keep it that way.Just some thoughts.

[Bobby Light]

i think keeping it to like 1 or 2 times a month would make it more like the olympics, might draw more people down from omaha too.

[BossRoss]

just need to stop racing before midnight. start meeting up at midnight then racing not until 1ish...

[CrazyPete]

i think keeping it to like 1 or 2 times a month would make it more like the olympics, might draw more people down from omaha too.


or atleast once a week instead of going out like 5 times a week it'll keep the spots less known and hopefully get rid of all the hs kids and ricers with their slow ass 18 sec dailys.

[STOK5OH]

aright,for the 150th time. Stop goin out to the spots before 1,less busts=less people getting butthurt and giving up and trading there veicles for vagina.

[C.J.]

cruising O street

[82355]

cruising O street

Only inteligent thing on this whole board.

Martin

[C.J.]

Only inteligent thing on this whole board.

Martin

are you being serious?

[David]

I bailed because of my ticket.. I feel comfortable when i have watch outs...

[82355]

are you being serious?

Yes, this board is retarded, and that statement isn't.

Martin

[Alley]

I think once a week is a must. 1 or 2 times a month isn't much of a scene and is a step in the wrong dirrection. You want to have a large enough scene where everybody doesn't have to come out every week and race, if some people don't show its no biggie becuase you have so many other people.

[C.J.]

the problem is we dont have the amount of people that we used to, nobody likes to watch the same races over and over. That is why you get alot more locals come out when omaha comes down b/c there are more races that people haven't seen.

[moparornocar]

If you guys in Lincoln can set up weekly spots that don't get busted, I think you will have Omaha guys comming down regularly and then GI, and we will try and round up the ones from here and Lex.Pretty soon, Not all the same cars racing!
BTW, does Lincoln have police choppers?

[AeroSS_87]

problem is a lot of omaha n00bs would ruin it if they came too big too much

[C.J.]

we have a state patrol chopper but they dont use it for things like street racing like omaha.

[moparornocar]

Just wondering. Even though chopper came out and broke it up, That was the first time it happened to us, something to add to the weekend stories.

[DSMMIKE]

we need to find a few new spots and not race at the same spot every weekend it will throw off the cops and the unwanted people

[LNKMK8]

Figure out someway to keep all the high school homos from being around, and things will improve 10000%. Oh, and invitational Sunday night racing FTW!

Thomas

[Thunder]

im going to say, find something between lincoln and omaha. If you're really serious about racing, you'll travel 15-20 minutes out of your way to do it.

[matt]

even when omaha comes down. they bring what? like 5 fast cars, and 10 15 sec. hondas
I missed out this year due to my license, but everyone knows last year I was out every weekend and then some

[88alltrac]

i agree with starting way later.
i am also up to cruising O anytime almost. i go alot on the weekend but usualy dont see anyone i know.
my car is definitely not in any condition to race right now. but i have an old bike that is probably a low 13 that i would definitely bring out.

[rsisbetter]

im going to say, find something between lincoln and omaha. If you're really serious about racing, you'll travel 15-20 minutes out of your way to do it.

good idea! im pretty central between lincoln and omaha, i know lots of old highways, but the problem is, no matter how old and less used it is. sombody(s) is still going to use it and call it in. Let me think about it and get back on that idea, i actually might have a spot, i'll have to scout it out and get back on it.

[JesterMX6]

the scene will never "die" but it'll never be "fixed" either. its just one of those things.

[Bobby Light]

I cant drive my car down the interstate...

[roo]

If it ain't broke don't fix it

[JesterMX6]

call summit. they'll know what to do!!

[Bobby Light]

im not fixing **** *****, i call geico

[roo]

What would Dominic do?

[Bobby Light]

TORETTOOOOOO

[4 cam torino]

****, just do it right in the middle of town, that's how it's done here.

[JesterMX6]

might as well :shrug:

[Bobby Light]

**** the po-leece

[rsisbetter]

**** ****, **** da police

[JesterMX6]

**** **** **** a duck. screw a kangaroo.

[Bobby Light]

then hop around and trip on a shoe

[4 cam torino]

just start shooting people around the city, a couple people per day. The police will stop caring about street racing real fast. Then you can race wherever you want :woot:

[88alltrac]

**** **** **** a duck. screw a kangaroo.

finger bang an orangutan at your local zoo

[JesterMX6]

THANK YOU!!!!! i was waiting for someone to finish that

[Bobby Light]

wow thats gay

[JesterMX6]

wow you're gay

[Bobby Light]

but thats okay

[JesterMX6]

true. every single day.

[Fyrtruck]

I know of a few spots south of lincoln that are damn decent..if you wanna talk old school...this is definitely OLD SCHOOL...I'm talking a 20-30 minute drive. These are the spots the boys used to race at in the 70s and 80s.

Honestly I think you may need to talk privately with some of the old boys at Culvers...I know some of them would love to bring their **** out to the races as long as there was some reassurance that it was safe and worth their time.

I would love to see the Starion race again...

[JesterMX6]

*****

[Fyrtruck]

^ speaking of post whores

[coop]

tape

[Thunder]

take this thread back craig, the scene hasn't been hurting badly, its just some people posting about how it has, when they never come out anyways.

[JesterMX6]

^^^ pretty much what he said. i've seen racing every weekend for the past few months now.

[Johnny]

i think keeping it to like 1 or 2 times a month would make it more like the olympics, might draw more people down from omaha too.

I agree

[Bobby Light]

I agree

also im not saying not go out as small groups ect...but one or two times a month make it a real big deal...

[mattmoto441]

we need to google satelite some spots inbetween L and O and see if is a decent place to run, hell i have driven 270miles oneway just to get some good racing in.

[Alley]

Thats a good idea. If there was a good spot between Lincoln and Omaha you could get people from both cities to meet there.

[mattmoto441]

Thats a good idea. If there was a good spot between Lincoln and Omaha you could get people from both cities to meet there.




i tryed but i have no clue whats what around there

[00dakotav8]

www.gretnaneedsadragstrip.com

[STOK5OH]

racing is gay,sell yur cars and talk ****.

[roo]

racing is gay,sell yur cars and talk ****.

.

[STOK5OH]

:kkk:

[roo]

Racist bastard. A 3rd gen owner just can't get ahead in this world (LSS).

[shevelle6t9]

if you really want the racing to come back everybody needs to chip in and buy me a prelude.


We need to get the old teams clubs whatever you want to call them, back together and start the **** talking, people get pissed off they go out spend money on there cars and race them. This worked great 3 years ago

Here il start F WFO, F unsafevision, F the south side LS1s



Theres no way i would drive the shevelle 20 miles to a spot to race.

[STOK5OH]

We need to get the old teams clubs whatever you want to call them, back together and start the **** talking, people get pissed off they go out spend money on there cars and race them.


Sounds like a badass plan,honestly...what we really should do is have a night where we have a team v.s. team sorta gathering,loser buys cici's for everyone or some ****. We can all be mature in person,we've all proved that numerous times. F-THE WEB

[00dakotav8]

Theres no way i would drive the shevelle 20 miles to a spot to race.

How about on a trailor?

[C.J.]

trailer

noob freshman.

[Bobby Light]

southside ls1s haha

[shevelle6t9]

the only trailer i have is a bobcat trailer and its a pain in the ass to get the shevelle on there and everyone will make fun of me for using a bobcat trailer.


And i dont think the S10 will like pulling the shevelle on the trailer

[shevelle6t9]

who is even in wfo with quick cars around here anymore

[Alley]

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[BOSSMAN]

Alley, PM sent.

[c0z]

bahahahahha

[dunnster76]

Really the biggest problem is the fact that the scene has gotten older and the members that have moved on have not been replaced by new faces because a lot of the OGs aren't open to involving new people, but would rather ***** about how the scene has died. That and people aren't willing to spend the time and be out as late for the races anymore. Around 10 people want to go out and start racing. Hell, we didn't even meet up at Sam's until 11-12 when I got in the scene. And having a central meeting location helped. We all used to meet up and then more people heard about the spot to meet up and we would get some decent cars to come out when there was a consistent spot to meet up at the there was reliably people at every weekend to spread the word.

So in short ... find some new faces to fill the open spots, don't race so ****ing early and meet up somewhere consistently.

[c0z]

old thrad is old

[millertime]

we have a state patrol chopper but they dont use it for things like street racing like omaha.

:lol:

[toom1h]

Yeah I actually am starting to enjoy the new faces, I think the only difference is half the people who post now-a-days aren't interested in racing.

Now I do notice this thread is 3 years old but I think it has got better.

I can't wait to have the mustang done so I can race that,, although I enjoy racing the bike.

[dunnster76]

old thrad is old

Still relevant ...

[Alley]

I think this has been the best year in a few years. We've done alot of things to improve the scene from its low point 3-4 years ago. Cruise night, race wars, lincoln vs. omaha shootouts, day and weeknight racing, dyno days, and americruise has been back in town. All these things are bringing new members and faces to SCR and out to the races.

[toom1h]

Agreed. I've enjoyed it the last few years personally this year and last year specifically. I can't wait till next year, where I'll actually have the car and care more.

[Fyrtruck]

Wish I had a car to race, I would drive back from wherever I'm stationed just to race again. I agree though, it looks like the scene has gotten better.

Best memory: Saturday night, mccormick, 2 years ago, lots of OGs and a ton of races, probably 50+ people and 30+ cars! Even got to see the old subaru's line up (Cavadini and Korver).

[Alley]

Wish I had a car to race, I would drive back from wherever I'm stationed just to race again. I agree though, it looks like the scene has gotten better.

Best memory: Saturday night, mccormick, 2 years ago, lots of OGs and a ton of races, probably 50+ people and 30+ cars! Even got to see the old subaru's line up (Cavadini and Korver).

lol, you should of stuck around for the racing after the cruise night. 100 people at mccormik, easy.

[C.J.]

Wish I had a car to race, I would drive back from wherever I'm stationed just to race again. I agree though, it looks like the scene has gotten better.

Best memory: Saturday night, mccormick, 2 years ago, lots of OGs and a ton of races, probably 50+ people and 30+ cars! Even got to see the old subaru's line up (Cavadini and Korver).

That was alot longer ago than 2 years, Scott hasn't had his Subaru for 4+ years.

[BLT2BTU]

how bout some of you rich guys buy some land, lay a road down. doesnt have to be a track perfect place just pavement to race on... keep it like the street
in my experience racing gets ruined when some douche that cant drive brings his 1000 hp car that cant drive and bad **** happens gotta stay away from that scenario

[miller456]

I certainly wouldnt have a problem driving down to lincoln to run a few of you guys. From what ive heard you seem to have much better luck than the **** of a "scene" we have here in Omaha. I dont even find enjoyment of going out here other than to cruise b/c no spot is good for more than maybe 30 mins when a larger group of cars are out. My car is almost done and its been over a year since ive ran it so ill be getting ahold of some of you guys soon.

[Fyrtruck]

Wish I had a car to race, I would drive back from wherever I'm stationed just to race again. I agree though, it looks like the scene has gotten better.

Best memory: Saturday night, mccormick, 2 years ago, lots of OGs and a ton of races, probably 50+ people and 30+ cars! Even got to see the old subaru's line up (Cavadini and Korver).

That was alot longer ago than 2 years, Scott hasn't had his Subaru for 4+ years.

Hell maybe it has been that long. idk. It was really fun though. 4 hours of non-stop racing!

[Black ss]

Wish I had a car to race, I would drive back from wherever I'm stationed just to race again. I agree though, it looks like the scene has gotten better.

Best memory: Saturday night, mccormick, 2 years ago, lots of OGs and a ton of races, probably 50+ people and 30+ cars! Even got to see the old subaru's line up (Cavadini and Korver).

lol, you should of stuck around for the racing after the cruise night. 100 people at mccormik, easy.

this

[Domestic Euro]

I actually counted over 100 people at about 3AM after it started dying down. Id say it was close to 150 at one point!

[BOSSMAN]

We have the same issues up in Omaha area. I see the same things written on alot of forums about getting something going like "back in the day" but nobody really wants to organize it. So, I'm just gonna throw this out there and explain what we are trying to do. I started a new forum - www.midwestspeedfreaks.com (http://www.midwestspeedfreaks.com) and we are all about racing. My initial idea has been to link up all of the forums and areas to this forum as a way to organize and setup racing a little better. We just launched the site a couple months ago after we confirmed we could get an event at MAM. I think the more people get involved the more fun it gets. We have our own venue down at MAM on October 17th (listed in your event section) which would give a good opportunity for everyone to meet and set some things up for the future. This venue will be held in the Spring & Fall (TBA) for right now but I have the option to have as many as I want at the track if needed. The classes are catered to the "street" crowd and makes things a little easier having it at the track. I've contacted a couple board members here and think this could benefit people who truly want to race. We are open to alot of suggestions because we all want the same thing and are wanting to make this work.:Thumb:

[MazdaKlze]

Im just a noob,
but allow more people out to compete. I've watched alot of video's where the crowd is massive. And people just start talkin, cars start running more and the scene will build. That's just me, cause i enjoy watching the races, while my car is getting finished.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icWxFsaYMb8
Its an old video, but good.

[David]

I'll be the first to admit i don't have room to talk about how to make it better since i'm not involved.. but maybe my lack of involvement gives me an outsider's opinion.

First every year people complain the scene is worse than last year. Well, here's the deal. Those who complain about how it's getting worse are the ones not racing. It's really rather simple.. look at who the individuals who are complaining or quoting "back in the day" facts and you realize... hey, you didn't race much or at all then... and you dont' race now, so quit your bitchin. it's seriously people like that kill the scene by making themselves look cool acting all "OG". It''s like old people complaining about the changing times. The scene doesn't suck, it's the attitudes of the OG's that suck..

What i remember about the scene that was always the best feeling was large crowds.. Seriously... nothing like lining up and having 200+ people watching you race. Win's were more rewarding and losses made you go home and search the internet for the next go fast part. Losing makes people faster and really it makes them smarter as well. That, or they quit showing up... When you have "OG's" mocking noobs, they are less likely to come back and thus less cars, less speed, less fun.

High school is where you need to be recruiting.. it's a sad fact because everyone believe's it's high schoolers that ruin it by being dumb... thats kinda true... but if you drive around any local high school i promise you fill find plenty of f-bodies, mustangs, misc imports etc just begging to be raced...

I can honestly admit i did all my "high school" racing on O street. I would sit in random parking lots on o street waiting for a "fast" car to race... when i found one i'd shoot out into o street and play catch up... then try to line up and get a race off.... speaking of which thats how i found scr. i pulled up next to andy and his SS and made some shitty comments about how bad it sounded, which resulted in a race (obviously got my ass handed to me) over at 84th and Adams (seriously). After my ass beating Andy told me about scr. But at first glance i wasn't sold on SCR, until i ran into prez one night also on O street.

Long story short... I wanted to race, but if it wasn't for me running into some of the nicer members on the board by accident, i never would have found scr, probably never would have bought my corvette, which means i never would have bought scr and this post would not exist. OMG!!!

Bring in the noobs and get them to race one another... teach them how it's done and you will see a scene that thrives.

[red93z28]

sweet vid I want in on something like this even though my car is slow as **** and a pos

[David]

oh and i'll add this.. SCR is not fight club. It's not a secret, if the chief of police makes regular stops here you better believe so do other cops.. If the cops know about scr, then why shouldn't everyone who wants to race?

Oh and creating other sites that are "top secret" is as retarded as not telling people about scr. No one keeps their mouth shut and everyone eventually finds out.

[David]

oh and one more thing... if people are making comparisons to oh i dunno 5 years ago.. does anyone remember what happened, oh i don't know 4-5 years ago? lil place called scribner closed. People need to get out and go to the track as well. People care about times and they care what others run. it's a way of bench racing and without it racing also kinda loses it's luster. When all you can say is (insert name) beat "(insert name)" and there is no follow up data about the car/driver it's kinda lame. I mean... all LS1's run 13's stock at best and obviously a driver mod and tires can make or break that second.. so without a time everyone is just guessing thats ****ing retarded.

i believe thats all of my .02. hope it helps.

[C.J.]

The "scene" this year is 10x better than the last couple of years. Then again people are starting to show up with at least somewhat quick cars again. Lots of average joes are at least bringing something that can click off a 13.99999 which makes things alot more interesting.

Thank God for the further depreciation of LS1s and Mustangs...the scene is definitely on its up swing.

[Prez]

I'm still racing like crazy! You just have to either change your perception of fast to keep having fun, or like David said go after the youngis, or travel to a track.

Honestly street racing is a bit childish. It requires you to be out way late which most spouses hate, but kids not married or in relationships can do and they are willing to take risks with their license. Most older people need their license to get to a job to pay rent and buy food and cloth their kids so they then to think about those things when it comes time to risk a license on a silly street race.

I've been there, almost had it taken away and won't ever risk that again.

[David]

^^ exactly.

infact my last speeding ticket was from racing you on N.56th. :)

[miller456]

anyone interested in an Omaha/lincoln trip to KCIR or Marion?

[C.J.]

anyone interested in an Omaha/lincoln trip to KCIR or Marion?

This is my style. KCIR though...no Marion.

[JesterMX6]

idk why people get al bent out of shape when a bunch of 14 and 15 second cars want to race. we like to have fun too damn it!

[86Shelby]

idk why people get al bent out of shape when a bunch of 14 and 15 second cars want to race. we like to have fun too damn it!

No ****, everyone starts somewhere.

I'll agree with Prez, keeping my DL clean is what puts me on pins & needles every time I've been out. :ohnoes: Without my license I'd be screwed.

[BOSSMAN]

anyone interested in an Omaha/lincoln trip to KCIR or Marion?
I'd be interested in this (along with some others). When do you think? You need to join the new forum since you are local to me and want to race.:Thumb:

I think setting up this race we have will help. It gives a central place to race, chance to meet new people, and not have to worry about the law. The Grudge Racing we are offering is setup similar to a street race (put money on the line if you want, we hope people do!) and we even have a place where you can talk all of the sh*t you want to put some hype behind the races - called the Outhouse on our forum. You get a .400 Pro Tree (similar to a flashlight) and a win light that's it, no times posted. We have street index class racing for people who want to go rounds and get a shot at some money, and Drag Radial Stock Suspension classes for the Hard Core heads up racer. We are trying to cater to the street crowd and are flexible on trying to make things work so pass along any ideas or suggestions to us and we will consider it. I think this is a really cool opportunity given to us and need give it a shot - SO SHOW UP AND SUPPORT IT! The track has been really flexible on this and they are on board as well. The majority of us just want to race and I could care less if you are in high school or you are ready to retire, just be ready to race. Scribner was the place to go but now that it is gone we need to support what we still have.

[millertime]

I might show up to support the thing on october 17th, sunday is my day off, i won't be running tho (car's broken)

[miller456]

anyone interested in an Omaha/lincoln trip to KCIR or Marion?
I'd be interested in this (along with some others). When do you think? You need to join the new forum since you are local to me and want to race.:Thumb:

I think setting up this race we have will help. It gives a central place to race, chance to meet new people, and not have to worry about the law. The Grudge Racing we are offering is setup similar to a street race (put money on the line if you want, we hope people do!) and we even have a place where you can talk all of the sh*t you want to put some hype behind the races - called the Outhouse on our forum. You get a .400 Pro Tree (similar to a flashlight) and a win light that's it, no times posted. We have street index class racing for people who want to go rounds and get a shot at some money, and Drag Radial Stock Suspension classes for the Hard Core heads up racer. We are trying to cater to the street crowd and are flexible on trying to make things work so pass along any ideas or suggestions to us and we will consider it. I think this is a really cool opportunity given to us and need give it a shot - SO SHOW UP AND SUPPORT IT! The track has been really flexible on this and they are on board as well. The majority of us just want to race and I could care less if you are in high school or you are ready to retire, just be ready to race. Scribner was the place to go but now that it is gone we need to support what we still have.

Im not sure on a date yet, im trying to get peoples interest first and for me personally all of september is full with a buddies wedding and the car show in west point. I signed up for ur site not to long ago and need to log on and check it out again. I'm extremely close to finishing my car and would like to get it to a 1/4 track this year if possible, otherwise for sure down to MAM.

anyone interested in an Omaha/lincoln trip to KCIR or Marion?

This is my style. KCIR though...no Marion.

I didnt figure many would choose marion or kearney for that matter over KCIR, just trying to throw out some options see what people are interested in.

Also depending on if my car was done or not for anyone who would need a trailer I do have one available.

[SHIFTER]

I'm still racing like crazy! You just have to either change your perception of fast to keep having fun, or like David said go after the youngis, or travel to a track.

Honestly street racing is a bit childish. It requires you to be out way late which most spouses hate, but kids not married or in relationships can do and they are willing to take risks with their license. Most older people need their license to get to a job to pay rent and buy food and cloth their kids so they then to think about those things when it comes time to risk a license on a silly street race.

I've been there, almost had it taken away and won't ever risk that again.


Exaaaaccctly.

[Trick]

I'm going to KCIR today, jus sayin

[SHIFTER]

I should point out... this is like the 4th or 5th thread in the last 5 years discussing this exact thing.

[Trick]

or its just this thread being bumped all the time :lol:

[SHIFTER]

or its just this thread being bumped all the time :lol:

LOL I didnt notice this was the thread from 2007 still :rofl:

[Prez]

^^ exactly.

infact my last speeding ticket was from racing you on N.56th. :)

Wish it was my last one.... I got one last week for 60 in a 55 going to the girlfriends parents place in BFE Iowa. A failed to yeild at a stop sign that no one was even around. Seems like I have a hard enough time keeping a clean record without racing on the street.

[Thunder]

Takes some luck. I got pegged for screwing around on O street, but when it comes to "studies", I've yet to get a ticket.
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[Josh WFO]

The scene has been great this year... even the police when they come are polite about it.

Most are happy we aren't doing it on O street like the rest of the noobs and crotch rockets!!!

[Alley]

Takes some luck. I got pegged for screwing around on O street, but when it comes to "studies", I've yet to get a ticket.
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THIS ^ I hear so many stories about people getting tickets for racing on regular streets, or just getting on it for a second next to a ricer, or any other lame **** that cops will pull you over for. I won't even remotely do anything next to a car on a regular street to give a cop a excuse to pull me over. I've never gotten a ticket for street racing.

[Z28]

I'd like to say I revived the scene by all the **** talking I do...one day maybe I'll back it up.

[4 cam torino]

Lincoln/Omaha group trips to Kansas City for dyno days/KCIR used to be a somewhat regular thing. Those were some fun weekends.

[Cobra Commander]

I'm going to KCIR today, jus sayin

Truck? Tires?

[Cobra Commander]

Thank God for the further depreciation of LS1s and Mustangs...the scene is definitely on its up swing.