Need some engine advice!

[Js04sILVerBullet]

So a couple of months ago I started my car and it started to make like the sound an engine makes when it is starved for oil kinda like when you change your oil it has that sound until the fresh oil gets thru the oil pump and in the engine.

so i check the oil and it is full but still is making that sound really quietly.then i took it to the dealership to have it checked out and they said i just got some bad gas and to put some fuel injector cleaner in it. I kinda questioned their theory

it kinda went away for a while but i changed my oil about 900 miles ago and it is doing it again so i ask someone at work (I work at Saturn) and they think that since i am running Mobil 1 and a fram toughguard oil filter that it is filtering to much and thats why it is starving for oil when it first starts

but i just was wondering if this sounds about right to you guys and is my engine probably going to be ****ed in the long run?

[00dakotav8]

first off ditch the fram.

[toom1h]

i've really never heard of filtering it too much...

but i suppose it could be true. it doesn't hurt to through some injection fluid and some other cleaners in there just to be safe though either.

[roo]

What does your oil pressure look like?

When it comes to engine noises involving oil I tend to go with the theory that if it's making noise it's too late.

[Johnny]

What does your oil pressure look like?

When it comes to engine noises involving oil I tend to go with the theory that if it's making noise it's too late.

so true its not even funny, hence y I drove my car back when I knew it was going to do more damage than I thought was done at the time, but still knew at the begining that it would ruin everything, and.... it did

[Cobra Commander]

So a couple of months ago I started my car and it started to make like the sound an engine makes when it is starved for oil kinda like when you change your oil it has that sound until the fresh oil gets thru the oil pump and in the engine.


I have no idea if this applies to the SOHC 4.6's, but the DOHC 4.6's are known to have worn hydraulic timing chain tensioners or whatever the hell you call em after mileage. Basically your car will sound like it has "the tick" when you first start it up, because the tensioners are worn and don't apply pressure right away, which makes the chain noisy for a second.

Like I said, I don't know if this applies to 16v's too. :dunno: My Cobra did it pretty bad on start up. One to ask about this that knows a lot more would be Thomas. Believe it or not, this chain noise sounds identical to an engine tick. It had me freaked out before I dug into the problem.

[schovil69]

Filtering too much? Yeah, something like that. Get an oil filter from the dealer and put that on the car. Once you've done this, the noise will be gone.

[c0z]

hahaha one of the best dealer bs theories ever, bad gas.

Is it more of a knock or tick?

[Bobby Light]

Filtering too much? Yeah, something like that. Get an oil filter from the dealer and put that on the car. Once you've done this, the noise will be gone.

thats ****ing excelent.:lol:

[schovil69]

I'm serious about the oil filter Spencer. I know it sounds like some crazy bullshit, but it's not. I had to use dealer oil filters on my Mitsubishi to keep it from making the ole rocker arm tick.

[Bobby Light]

that is ****ing wacky, they should flow FAR more than required, course i dont know **** about mitsu's but on this motor? sounds unrealistic.

[schovil69]

ANYways, mr silver bullet, give it a shot before going with more expensive options.

[Js04sILVerBullet]

ok thanks for the input guys!

1st i am going to put a motorcraft oil filter on it and try that since that one is the one i used to use

then try the hydraulic timing chain tensioners

but if all the above fails then i am going back to where i got the car and see about my extended warrenty but i know it won't be easy to get them to pay for anything expect maybey a light bulb

[Ervin]

LS1

[GTPpower]

From what I hear Fram is not a good oil filter just by the way the paper is designed to sit inside it. Also, supposedly the Toughguard filter is too restrictive, and a valve thinks the filter is plugged up, so instead of starving the engine for oil, the valve shuts and bypasses the filter.

[roo]

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/3248/oilfilterac02a90aw3.jpg

[roo]

Fram is the official filter for NASCAR

[C.J.]

factory oil filters FTW...especially for Subaru

[00dakotav8]

Mopar oil filters FTW

[C.J.]

my oil filter is the size of a lawn mower's oil filter

[BossRoss]

ohh **** u better buy an ls1 then you wont have any more probs. and u'll be good to go for life

[GTPpower]

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

Scroll down to the fram section....I guess the TG isn't so bad, but it looks like the extra guard sucks.

[00mustanggt]

yea ive heard if u dont use a mitsu filter on most the mitsu products they been known to blow up and its not covered in warranty at least in new products its better to just stick with a factory filter

[TurboB18C1DC2]

yea ive heard if u dont use a mitsu filter on most the mitsu products they been known to blow up and its not covered in warranty at least in new products its better to just stick with a factory filter

most what i have heard of with dsm's and using a fram is that they are more prone to lifter tick. people "say" its due to the design of the oil drainback on fram filters. and no filter in the world is going to keep a 2g 7bolt from walking. icefire would know better than me on the deal with the fram. although i have had friends with the 3rd revision lifters and have still had them tick. also have had friends try the atf added to oil trick and that hasnt worked either. although i dont know how i would feel adding atf.

if i was you, i would throw on a oil pressure gauge. if you see the gauge jump or fluctuate up and down everytime it knocks then you know your bearings are in GREAT shape and nothing is wrong.

[TurboB18C1DC2]

my oil filter is the size of a lawn mower's oil filter

this is something that people debate over alot. some people say small filters are better cause they offer higher oil pressure than larger filters where larger ones offer more effective area to filter. some people even wrap band clamps around large oil filters to help them prevent distorting/flexing. i personally run the large size filter aka old style honda brand filters on my cars. the new style filter is small about the size of your subaru filter.

[roo]

I've come to accept that dsm's have lifter tick regardless.

[TurboB18C1DC2]

I've come to accept that dsm's have lifter tick regardless.

this seems to be the general concensus. i had a friend that tried the 3000gt vr4 lifters and no luck and then the 3rd revision lifters and they stayed quite for a couple thousand miles and then got loud like usual.

[roo]

Yeah I've ran the revised lifters in a few cars and they all ticked eventually. I've tried the oil filter thing before but I honestly can't remember the results. It probably did stop but I forgot I was testing it or something and changed back to a wix filter. :) Oh well, I've got a whole box of mitsubishi filters right now that I can test with.

Unless it's really bad I usually don't notice anymore. With the revised lifters they still tick but it seems to be much quieter than some of the early versions. I've heard a few early 1G's that tick loud!

[TurboB18C1DC2]

Yeah I've ran the revised lifters in a few cars and they all ticked eventually. I've tried the oil filter thing before but I honestly can't remember the results. It probably did stop but I forgot I was testing it or something and changed back to a wix filter. :) Oh well, I've got a whole box of mitsubishi filters right now that I can test with.

Unless it's really bad I usually don't notice anymore. With the revised lifters they still tick but it seems to be much quieter than some of the early versions. I've heard a few early 1G's that tick loud!

i do definitely agree that the revised lifter's ticking is less than 15 yr old stock lifters that have been used and abused. but it does seem impossible to totally get rid of the tick. surprisingly i had one friend that had a 1g with a motor he got from olstons and his you could just BARELY here ticking with the hood up. it was quieter than my friends cars with the revised lifters. my friends that have the revised lifters had good luck when they were just spinning 7 grand. but after they turned the rev limiters to 8 grand they started to tick more.

what do you think of the wix filter? i heard its actually a good filter and have used them in my families cars but have always used the oem in my own cars.

[CrazyPete]

i dont know where to start commenting :ohnoes:...............btw the wix and mitsu filters are by far the best on dsm's the one way check valve is the key to keep some oil psi to reduce oil starvation on start up

[TurboB18C1DC2]

i dont know where to start commenting :ohnoes:...............btw the wix and mitsu filters are by far the best on dsm's the one way check valve is the key to keep some oil psi to reduce oil starvation on start up


yeah thats what i have heard. when you built your motor did you run the revised lifters?

[CrazyPete]

yup 3k rev lifters

[Js04sILVerBullet]

well a little update on the car

I changed the oil today still used Mobil 1 and put a Motorcraft oil filter on it and instantly it sounded a hell of a lot better little to no noise at all

But i am going to give it a couple of days before i declare it fixed

[TurboB18C1DC2]

well a little update on the car

I changed the oil today still used Mobil 1 and put a Motorcraft oil filter on it and instantly it sounded a hell of a lot better little to no noise at all

But i am going to give it a couple of days before i declare it fixed

if i was you id still get an oil pressure gauge to be sure.

[Js04sILVerBullet]

^ yeah that probably wouldn't be a bad idea!

about how much am i looking at spending to get an oil pressure guage test done?

[TurboB18C1DC2]

^ yeah that probably wouldn't be a bad idea!

about how much am i looking at spending to get an oil pressure guage test done?

for the money you would spend or less to have a dealer do a test for you, you could just buy an autometer gauge and do a test yourself everytime you drive your car.

[Js04sILVerBullet]

well i do work at Saturn so maybey i can talk my boss into giving me a good deal on a test

[TurboB18C1DC2]

well i do work at Saturn so maybey i can talk my boss into giving me a good deal on a test


56 dollars

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ATM%2D4327&N=700+400442+115&autoview=sku (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ATM%2D4327&N=700+400442+115&autoview=sku)

and i dont know if they are going to test your oil pressure from idle to redline. it wouldnt surprise me if they didnt

[supercrackerbox]

yea ive heard if u dont use a mitsu filter on most the mitsu products they been known to blow up and its not covered in warranty

That's against the law.

[00mustanggt]

not if its not factory some companys even been know to void if ur oil isn't changed with original brand etc not saying every company does it but there are some cases in which they can prove by doing a test to the oil that it will void the warranty and its been to court blah blah and many people lost

[Js04sILVerBullet]

not if its not factory some companys even been know to void if ur oil isn't changed with original brand etc not saying every company does it but there are some cases in which they can prove by doing a test to the oil that it will void the warranty and its been to court blah blah and many people lostthats pretty:gay:

I have even heard of some companys voiding peoples warrenty because they are running a k&n air filter saying that the oil based air filter leaks oil into the mass air meters on the wires inside causeing them to fry

[roo]

not if its not factory some companys even been know to void if ur oil isn't changed with original brand etc not saying every company does it but there are some cases in which they can prove by doing a test to the oil that it will void the warranty and its been to court blah blah and many people lost

I'm pretty sure you would go back and sue the oil manufacturer at that point if it could be proven that their oil didn't hold up to what it was supposed to.

I'm betting they're pretty extreme case though where people tried running 30k mile oil changes or something. There are a lot of dumb people out there.

[Js04sILVerBullet]

soo you cant run 30k on motor oil?

I thought it was every 30K or every 3 years

[roo]

30k is pushing it. I usually like to change mine by 25k just to be safe. Walmart Super Tech oil FTW

[Js04sILVerBullet]

30k is pushing it. I usually like to change mine by 25k just to be safe. Walmart Super Tech oil FTWlol

[schovil69]

Factory oil filter FTW!!!

[supercrackerbox]

If the filter and oil carry the ASE (ASN? don't remember) designation, then it has passed the certification tests and is legally covered by warranty.

[TurboB18C1DC2]

30k is pushing it. I usually like to change mine by 25k just to be safe. Walmart Super Tech oil FTW

QFTMFT!!

i love that oil

[roo]

no thermal breakdown!

[TurboB18C1DC2]

no thermal breakdown!

no lubrication.

on a more important note, i have wanted to use that oil but i dont have a car that is worthy enough to use that oil. i dont want to lessen the brand of super tech by running it in a 4 cylinder.

[TurboB18C1DC2]

from the super tech website.

"our oil is engineered and designed by our nations finest minds: 8 yr old peoples republic of korea, boys and girls, gently adding our secret anti break down ingredients: molasses, honey, vegetable oil and the finest imported tuscan olive oil. these secret ingredients are then hand mixed by our super happy workforce aka the slightly retarded, poor and homosexual and then bottled for export to the finest and most prestigious automotive retailer, wal-mart."

[roo]

no lubrication.

lol

[roo]

from the super tech website.

"our oil is engineered and designed by our nations finest minds: 8 yr old peoples republic of korea, boys and girls, gently adding our secret anti break down ingredients: molasses, honey, vegetable oil and the finest imported tuscan olive oil. these secret ingredients are then hand mixed by our super happy workforce aka the slightly retarded, poor and homosexual and then bottled for export to the finest and most prestigious automotive retailer, wal-mart."

ROFL

[TurboB18C1DC2]

from the super tech website.

"our oil is engineered and designed by our nations finest minds: 8 yr old peoples republic of korea, boys and girls, gently adding our secret anti break down ingredients: molasses, honey, vegetable oil and the finest imported tuscan olive oil. these secret ingredients are then hand mixed by our super happy workforce aka the slightly retarded, poor and homosexual and then bottled for export to the finest and most prestigious automotive retailer, wal-mart."

ROFL

you wanna play world of warcraft and magic cards this weekend?

in the words of chih wei mother****in lin

"that **** gay"

[Kelvin]

sick and tire

sams gay lets go home


fyi, if they think gas is the problem, then id assume you are running 50 octane for it to be detonating at idle

[TurboB18C1DC2]

sick and tire

sams gay lets go home


fyi, if they think gas is the problem, then id assume you are running 50 octane for it to be detonating at idle

i tow you allreaddy

i know i know i know i know den

i can make 600 crome im not scare

enough enough enough no 4th gear no 4th gear dont waste your gas

[c0z]

supertech ftw. I love cheap oil.

[TurboB18C1DC2]

supertech ftw. I love cheap oil.

that **** is cheap as ****. i think you can get a quart for .99cents. that is worth buyin in itself.

[Cobra Commander]

from the super tech website.

"our oil is engineered and designed by our nations finest minds: 8 yr old peoples republic of korea, boys and girls, gently adding our secret anti break down ingredients: molasses, honey, vegetable oil and the finest imported tuscan olive oil. these secret ingredients are then hand mixed by our super happy workforce aka the slightly retarded, poor and homosexual and then bottled for export to the finest and most prestigious automotive retailer, wal-mart."

Holy ****. lollollol