Obama on taxes

[dave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aa4ipe4fhU

[Kries]

Meh, listened to the first five seconds, and then turned it off.
Wasn't worth my time.

[coop]

i would really like to see the responses from some of the mccain supporters....well the ones that are mccain supporters and preach the tax increases by obama....ok really i just means AWEB

[MadmaX]

I'm a McCain supporter. I would have liked to see a rebuttal to that speech. It's a shame it wasn't in a debate type setting though. The fact is, there's a way to say just about anything to make it sound good or bad. I'd really like to see, written down, a side by side comparison of their tax plans.

[82355]

I'm a McCain supporter. I would have liked to see a rebuttal to that speech. It's a shame it wasn't in a debate type setting though. The fact is, there's a way to say just about anything to make it sound good or bad. I'd really like to see, written down, a side by side comparison of their tax plans.

I concur.

Martin

[coop]

their plans are avaliable on their websites.

[regal403]

Meh, listened to the first five seconds, and then turned it off.
Wasn't worth my time.

"So I just wanna, I just wanna be clear, when you're running..." is all you heard?

That's not nearly enough listening to determine whether or not it was worth your time.

[MadmaX]

being literal can be funny. that's a good example.

[Kries]

Meh, listened to the first five seconds, and then turned it off.
Wasn't worth my time.

"So I just wanna, I just wanna be clear, when you're running..." is all you heard?

That's not nearly enough listening to determine whether or not it was worth your time.

Basically yeah, thats all I heard.
I was reluctant to even start the video since I knew it involved Obama

[dave]

ignorance is bliss.

[coop]

Meh, listened to the first five seconds, and then turned it off.
Wasn't worth my time.

"So I just wanna, I just wanna be clear, when you're running..." is all you heard?

That's not nearly enough listening to determine whether or not it was worth your time.

Basically yeah, thats all I heard.
I was reluctant to even start the video since I knew it involved Obama

if you make less than 250k a year you might be interested in listening to it. An educated voter is better than being a voter who votes on whether there is a a "R" or "D" after their name

[82355]

Shut up hippie.

Martin

[coop]

but im not a "D" so i r teh confused :)

[82355]

Yeah you are, and so am I, because Kries said so, and if it is his opinion, then it isn't a lie.

Martin

[coop]

oh. So......im a liberal hippie? and i am a terrorist lover? and i hate america?

I am learning so much about myself.

[82355]

Just ask Kries, he will tell you who and what you are?

Martin

[coop]

PM SENT

[DSMMIKE]

there are some real narrow minded people on here

[¿umop apisdn]

there are some real narrow minded people on here

[Bobby Light]

politicans...all of em

Pre election

"TAXES WILL GO DOWN, I PROMISE"

During Office

"THIS IS ONLY A LITTLE TAX INCREASE"

its all a crock of ****...btw, keep taxing the **** out of business, the business isnt the one that gets hurt by it.

[coop]

With that being said Spencer,

I suggest you do your research on each candidate but I can save you some reading and tell you that Obama is actually MORE in YOUR interest. The way you say it, both candidates will not follow through so shouldn't you pick the candidate who more tailors to you and your specific needs? Since the end result is the same?

[Kries]

Yeah you are, and so am I, because Kries said so, and if it is his opinion, then it isn't a lie.

Martin

Wait...

A lie isn't a lie if it is your opinion??? I am confused. . . . . . . . .

Martin

[David]

So can someone tell me who will be most impacted by obama's tax plan? because the way i see it, small business owners are completly ****ed.

[coop]

So can someone tell me who will be most impacted by obama's tax plan? because the way i see it, small business owners are completly ****ed.

heres a good unbiased look at the big picture of tax breakdowns:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031268,CST-NWS-tax30.article



as for your comment david:

* Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
* Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.

[David]

I don't have time to copy/paste/comment on this link but thats far from unbias. Interesting where the actual paper is published.

[coop]

thats YOUR opinion. I just learned that my opinion is a fact and its UNBIASED.

[coop]

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0806/gallery.election_issues/index.html

there they are on all issues.....non-partisan results

[David]

oh well my mistake. In my opinion you are far from unbias as well.

[David]

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0806/gallery.election_issues/index.html

there they are on all issues.....non-partisan results


i clicked the Business tax option. Doesn't even sound like he knows what he will do 3 months from election. Sweet, more speeches less direction. :woot: I'm considering scratching my balls, vote for me.

i don't expect anyone who swings from obama's nuts to read below, ignorance is bliss right?

http://www.heritage.org/research/Taxes/wm1973.cfm

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/good-bad-of-obamas-tax-plan/84224/

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/09/how_will_obamas_tax_plan_impac.html

http://www.american.com/archive/2008/august-08-08/the-folly-of-obama2019s-tax-plan

[Bobby Light]

what they say and what they do are two differnt things, I most likely wont vote, politics is all about who can fool people the best.

i say **** em all

[DSMMIKE]

not like it matters who you vote for in nebraska anyway the republican will win... (im still voting but undecided)

[David]

If obama said he would lower taxes for everyone by no less than 25% across the board, would have the budget balanced in 2 years, reduce the federal debt by 500 billion every year in office, give free health care, and guarantee the social secruity system for the next 50 years would you believe him?

[coop]

i read all those articles david.

I dont make 250k so I focused on what I will be paying. It looks to be less taxes for me since i make 180k less than that higher tax bracket.

[Cotnerdude]

there are some real narrow minded people on here

:nervous:

[regal403]

It is my opinion that the majority of campaign promises (especially when it comes to taxes) never come true.

[Bobby Light]

It is my opinion that the majority of campaign promises (especially when it comes to taxes) never come true.

QFTMFT NOUGKKA

[regal403]

At last we agree!!!


That said, I'll vote for Obama because I like his phony baloney promises better than McCain's phony baloney promises.

[coop]

^ makes sense. I dont see why you would pick someone NOT looking out for your best interests even if you blv niether will actually do anything

[MadmaX]

Arguing how much of it they'll actually accomplish is a different discussion. And an attempt to predict the future.

That said, I prefer the mentality that government needs to get out of the way, rather than regulate modulate and in my opinion ****-up basically everything.

A mentality that tends to align with the GOP. Though I admit the execution has been pretty lame lately.

[coop]

As you stated its actually the GOP getting in the way that has made the necessity for a revamp of the system.

I think of the govt as a DSM. Very slow and usually broken, but as long as you replace the engine every so often it runs. We are in need of a engine swap.

[MadmaX]

I'll walk thanks.

[coop]

haha....that actually made me laugh.....



although your comment can be construed as "unamerican" like dave or I saying we will move to canada :) (by ppl like CRIES)

[regal403]

Arguing how much of it they'll actually accomplish is a different discussion. And an attempt to predict the future.

That said, I prefer the mentality that government needs to get out of the way, rather than regulate modulate and in my opinion ****-up basically everything.

A mentality that tends to align with the GOP. Though I admit the execution has been pretty lame lately.

True.

[¿umop apisdn]

I think of the govt as a DSM. Very slow and usually broken, but as long as you replace the engine every so often it runs. We are in need of a engine swap.


aaaaand sig'd

[smoksho]

Lol, i stopped after the first sentence as well.

:orly:

[82355]

You realize the Republican party created big government, right?

[coop]

Democrat party WAS the republican party back in the day

[dave]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/kelly-bounds-taxes/

Not expecting this from faux news.

[82355]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/kelly-bounds-taxes/

Not expecting this from faux news.

Crazy.

Martin

[Bobby Light]

wont raise taxes...right.

[coop]

He will for you spencer and those others that make over 200k

[Bobby Light]

if i had money, i would bet that my taxes go up.

[coop]

that is how it is NOW....he said hes only going to be changing taxes/percentages from those who make over 280k

[Bobby Light]

right...thats what he says NOW

[regal403]

Read my lips...

[AWeb80]

politicans...all of em

Pre election

"TAXES WILL GO DOWN, I PROMISE"

During Office

"THIS IS ONLY A LITTLE TAX INCREASE"

its all a crock of ****...btw, keep taxing the **** out of business, the business isnt the one that gets hurt by it.

True. I'm suprised how some people passed their civics/business classes.

[coop]

to be honest, im surprised you finished any class aweb.

[AWeb80]

3.6 in HS and college

[coop]

what college?

[82355]

I had horrible grades in high school and college. I attended Lindsay Holy Family High School, Albion Public High School, and Southeast Community College - Milford.

[coop]

oh i guess we aer supposed to say we are smart based on a GPA

im a genius:

4.1 HS
3.9 Univ of NE

WOW I IZ TEH SMARTZ CUZ I GET TEH GRADES

[Kries]

3.8 in HS...
Now I'm going to SCC in October...This will be a running GPA Log I guess.

[coop]

oh....i guess i am a genius.....143 IQ tested in Kindergarten and retested in 3rd Grade.....

OMG SO MANYZ NUMBERZ MAKE ME SMARTISH

[82355]

3.8 in HS...
Now I'm going to SCC in October...This will be a running GPA Log I guess.

Oh, your stupidity is a little more acceptable now, you are still quite young.

Martin

[Kries]

3.8 in HS...
Now I'm going to SCC in October...This will be a running GPA Log I guess.

Oh, your stupidity is a little more acceptable now, you are still quite young.

Martin

Thanks.
I appreciate it.

[82355]

You should, I was pretty close minded and stupid at that age too, I had been questioning religion for years, but not too seriously until my senior year. I really started looking at both sides of things around my Junior year in high school, and continued rethinking things all the way through college. Hopefully your stupidity will erode as well.

Martin

[Kries]

You should, I was pretty close minded and stupid at that age too, I had been questioning religion for years, but not too seriously until my senior year. I really started looking at both sides of things around my Junior year in high school, and continued rethinking things all the way through college. Hopefully your stupidity will erode as well.

Martin

It will, I'm just a die hard conservative, probably because my dad and grandpa are.
Although the main reason is that I believe in what a republican stands for, I will say that some of the reason is the lineage of Right Wing Politico's in my family.

[82355]

You don't have to believe in what your parents believe, you can think for yourself.

Martin

[Kries]

You don't have to believe in what your parents believe, you can think for yourself.

Martin

I Know, but I do believe in what the conservative politicians are fighting for (God, that sentence sounded gay)
All I'm saying, is that since I was raised in a constant conservative environment, I think that that has something to do with it.
I'm not saying that I can't change my mind at any time though.

[coop]

i was raised in a god/conservative setting as well

[¿umop apisdn]

i was raised in a god/conservative setting as well

[regal403]

i was raised in a god/conservative setting as well

[dave]

i was raised in a god/conservative setting as well

ccd ftl

[dave]

I Know, but I do believe in what the conservative politicians are fighting for

I honestly don't know what they are fighting for. Can you tell me? Just a few things.

[Kries]

I Know, but I do believe in what the conservative politicians are fighting for

I honestly don't know what they are fighting for. Can you tell me? Just a few things.

Their beliefs, just like the Liberals, they are fighting to make/amend laws to coincide with their logic.

[¿umop apisdn]

Their beliefs, just like the Liberals, they are fighting to make/amend laws to coincide with their logic.

OH, so they fight for THEIR beliefs...ok...hm, weird. That's rare.

[dave]

seriously, thats what everyone believes....in their beliefs. what are their beliefs ?

[coop]

i find it hard to say that people fight for logic and yet are religious......doesnt religion defy logic?