Red goes down...

[Alley]

Raced Reds 79? Camaro. He was on street tires. Wans't pretty. probably 5 or 6 cars.

[c0z]

it's definately an earlier 70s camaro... is it a big block?

[Alley]

Ya, 454.

[srt-4_uk]

he spun, you spun, why not race again? Not legit

[BOWERS]

I don't think the carb has been fully tuned yet nor was he running the laughing gas.

[Thunder]

"its not tuned"


lol

sorry just thought of that other thread :lol:

[BOWERS]

it's not really, just broke in the cam friday afternoon.

[Thunder]

flat tappet cam fail.

[Js04sILVerBullet]

Raced Reds 79? Camaro. He was on street tires. Wans't pretty. probably 5 or 6 cars.So his camaro might have been a good run for me...:lol:

good run

[toom1h]

tires

[Js04sILVerBullet]

tiresexactly

[BOWERS]

Considering Darrens camaro normally runs low 11's when tuned and when he's running slicks.

[Alley]

Who cares, he just wanted a base line to see where he stands on street tires.

[Kelvin]

dang not bad. who knew chicks could drive that well

[MadmaX]

of course its not tuned, but I kinda forgot the "still breaking in the cam/motor" line. gonna have to add that one. thanks
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[MadmaX]

Raced Reds 79? Camaro. He was on street tires. Wans't pretty. probably 5 or 6 cars.
yeah. but who schooled you on huge unneccisary burnouts?


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[Alley]

lmao!!!! That **** was funny. I told everybody at the Garage.

[MadmaX]

do one thing. do it well. :D
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[Hibs]

who's red?

[toom1h]

part of 'the shop inc' crew. drives a 2nd gen camaro with a 454 and usually lots of nitrous.

[Hibs]

what color 2nd gen?

[toom1h]

red

[toom1h]

black hood

[RabidB4C]

take this to the track...pretty sure I know the outcome of that race

MAM play day in the future?

[Z28]

he spun, you spun, why not race again? Not legit

exactly!

[RED]

Well i proved that i am clearly a retard for having my street tires on so i would love a chance to race any of u guys:)I will be ready to race anyone by this weekend Let me know "THE SHOP INC FTMFW"

[c0z]

don't worry, at that spot it didn't matter if you had slicks or not

[BOWERS]

Was this the spot wher Ahmad and I ran you? If so traction sucked balls out there.
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[fmstruck]

take this to the track...pretty sure I know the outcome of that race.

Amen.

[Lepa]

come on people its clear that viper > mullet mobile.

[350-10]

Well i proved that i am clearly a retard for having my street tires on so i would love a chance to race any of u guys:)I will be ready to race anyone by this weekend Let me know "THE SHOP INC FTMFW"

Bring it.

[Hillbilly]

God dammit red. Do I have to come up there to prove bbcs can run? I bet mine will not hook for **** eather.

[4sfed]

God dammit red. Do I have to come up there to prove bbcs can run? I bet mine will not hook for **** eather.

either

[swaggy853]

ether

[Hillbilly]

dimethyl ether

[RED]

Well i proved that i am clearly a retard for having my street tires on so i would love a chance to race any of u guys:)I will be ready to race anyone by this weekend Let me know "THE SHOP INC FTMFW"

Bring it.

Do u have headers yet ? I see a new grill i hope u spent ur money on headers first sucker!!!!!!!:rofl: Let me know when and where !!!!

[RED]

QUOTE=80'427;323418]God dammit red. Do I have to come up there to prove bbcs can run? I bet mine will not hook for **** eather.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry I left the house with out the slicks !!!!!!! I am sorry to have brought shame on any fellow bbc cars !!!!!!! :nos:

[Hillbilly]

QUOTE=80'427;323418]God dammit red. Do I have to come up there to prove bbcs can run? I bet mine will not hook for **** eather.

I am sorry I left the house with out the slicks !!!!!!! I am sorry to have brought shame on any fellow bbc cars !!!!!!! :nos:[/QUOTE]

u should

[350-10]

Well i proved that i am clearly a retard for having my street tires on so i would love a chance to race any of u guys:)I will be ready to race anyone by this weekend Let me know "THE SHOP INC FTMFW"

Bring it.

Do u have headers yet ? I see a new grill i hope u spent ur money on headers first sucker!!!!!!!:rofl: Let me know when and where !!!!

That's the same grill, and no to the headers but I have new wires and a new muffler which is good for at least another 200 hp.

[RED]

I wish someone felt sorry for me and gave some parts for my car !!!!!!

[86Shelby]

I wish someone felt sorry for me and gave some parts for my car !!!!!!

I feel bad for you, gettin beat by a silly slow Viper. All I have would be a few standard thread bolts. Nothing else I have in the garage would be usefull.

[350-10]

I wish someone felt sorry for me and gave some parts for my car !!!!!!

I bought the wires they were like $80 my cost.

[Alley]

Yup my shits slower then aids. Probably couldn't even beat a SHO to 185.

[Toolman]

Yup my shits slower then aids. Probably couldn't even beat a SHO to 185.

You speak the truth. Seriously though, will your car do 185? I can't remember what the top speed of those older Viper's was.

[Alley]

Probably not since I swaped gears.

[millertime]

can a sho even get to 185? with a lack of aerodynamics and power i'm surprised one can even hit 150, if that. I know with the proper amount of power (not necessarily from an LS1) an FD can hit 200 on the stock gears, but that's insane, to overcome the downforce generated by the car in stock form, an FD needs 500+ to reach 200. there is no way a sho can hold itself on the road at those speeds without a LOT of help. and then you have to overcome the fact that it's not a very aerodynamic car.

[yamahaSHO]

can a sho even get to 185? with a lack of aerodynamics and power i'm surprised one can even hit 150, if that. I know with the proper amount of power (not necessarily from an LS1) an FD can hit 200 on the stock gears, but that's insane, to overcome the downforce generated by the car in stock form, an FD needs 500+ to reach 200. there is no way a sho can hold itself on the road at those speeds without a LOT of help. and then you have to overcome the fact that it's not a very aerodynamic car.

I think the SHO is more areodynamic than you think. With a good list of bolt-on's, a SHO can do 150 mph.

Some examples of Cd

Lamborghini Diablo - .31
Lamborghini Murcielago - .33
89-91 SHO - .33
Ferrari F40 - .34
Ferrari Testarossa - .36

This SHO pictured has been clocked at 175mph in the Silver State Classic and still pulling. It has some help with downforce. Pat, the owner, has a dyno of 520whp on the car. He uses 9" wide rims up front with race rubber and when I drove it around Second Creek Raceway, while coming on the front straight, I floored it and spun the tires up to redline.


http://hosting.superhighoutput.com/yamahasho/Pat/IMG_5142.jpg

http://hosting.superhighoutput.com/yamahasho/Pat/IMG_4564.jpg

I miss these days!

http://hosting.superhighoutput.com/yamahasho/Pat/IMG_5139.jpg

No, not RWD or AWD, but still fun.

The red Viper in the picture actually raced Pat on the way to PPIR on I-25. Pat's SHO had his track wheels/tires, tools, jack, jackstands, cooler, and other misc stuff in it and after the race, the owner of the Viper took the stall next to us to ask what was done to the car... I later had a ride that day in that Viper, as well as the yellow F430 and maroon 911 Turbo. Earlier in the day, a blue 360 Modena hit the wall... Not sure on the speed, but we normally carried about 105 around the turn when we ran it.

[millertime]

can a sho even get to 185? with a lack of aerodynamics and power i'm surprised one can even hit 150, if that. I know with the proper amount of power (not necessarily from an LS1) an FD can hit 200 on the stock gears, but that's insane, to overcome the downforce generated by the car in stock form, an FD needs 500+ to reach 200. there is no way a sho can hold itself on the road at those speeds without a LOT of help. and then you have to overcome the fact that it's not a very aerodynamic car.

I think the SHO is more areodynamic than you think. With a good list of bolt-on's, a SHO can do 150 mph.

Some examples of Cd

Lamborghini Diablo - .31
Lamborghini Murcielago - .33
89-91 SHO - .33
Ferrari F40 - .34
Ferrari Testarossa - .36

This SHO pictured has been clocked at 175mph in the Silver State Classic and still pulling. It has some help with downforce. Pat, the owner, has a dyno of 520whp on the car. He uses 9" wide rims up front with race rubber and when I drove it around Second Creek Raceway, while coming on the front straight, I floored it and spun the tires up to redline.


congrats, but I would like to know how he figured out teh CD on the sho, cuz I don't think there is anyway it is that aerodynamic, or produces that much downforce, maybe the one in that picture thanks to the spoiler and front lip and the way the front is lowere significantly more than the rear. creating a better shape for the air to push down. But what's the CD on a stock sho?
and 520 hp can take it to 175? how well is it still pulling and at what distance did it make that in how much time?

[millertime]

ps pikes peak for the win! i've got family in the springs, i love travelling there. going up over fall break actually.

[yamahaSHO]

can a sho even get to 185? with a lack of aerodynamics and power i'm surprised one can even hit 150, if that. I know with the proper amount of power (not necessarily from an LS1) an FD can hit 200 on the stock gears, but that's insane, to overcome the downforce generated by the car in stock form, an FD needs 500+ to reach 200. there is no way a sho can hold itself on the road at those speeds without a LOT of help. and then you have to overcome the fact that it's not a very aerodynamic car.

I think the SHO is more areodynamic than you think. With a good list of bolt-on's, a SHO can do 150 mph.

Some examples of Cd

Lamborghini Diablo - .31
Lamborghini Murcielago - .33
89-91 SHO - .33
Ferrari F40 - .34
Ferrari Testarossa - .36

This SHO pictured has been clocked at 175mph in the Silver State Classic and still pulling. It has some help with downforce. Pat, the owner, has a dyno of 520whp on the car. He uses 9" wide rims up front with race rubber and when I drove it around Second Creek Raceway, while coming on the front straight, I floored it and spun the tires up to redline.


congrats, but I would like to know how he figured out teh CD on the sho, cuz I don't think there is anyway it is that aerodynamic, or produces that much downforce, maybe the one in that picture thanks to the spoiler and front lip and the way the front is lowere significantly more than the rear. creating a better shape for the air to push down. But what's the CD on a stock sho?
and 520 hp can take it to 175? how well is it still pulling and at what distance did it make that in how much time?

This (http://www.shotimes.com/php-bin/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&sid=27) is where I got the Cd for the SHO.

I'm not sure how long it took as I wasn't driving it at the time. I do know that the car can really pull though (with MAJOR torque steer... ripping you into the next lane at 90mph, don't ask how I know).

One things these little motors do well is run up top. The 520whp is almost 630 at the crank... For the most part, Pat runs on street gas with water/injection (like me). The car has mostly been built for the road courses (orginally built for the Silver State Classic), but has run some AutoX in it. I think his best time he has run at Bandimere on a 90+ F day (and only one run that day) was a 13.2 at 116. If you've seen the video I posted with his SHO a week or so ago, you'll see that he comes off the line as if he were driving the kids to school and shifts softly as he's shredded 3rd gear before.

ps pikes peak for the win! i've got family in the springs, i love travelling there. going up over fall break actually.

I loved Pikes Peak... then they closed it. I know it was purchased privately and talks of reopening it for track days, but I haven't kept up with it in the last year. When will you be that way?? I am in CO about 5 days every month. If you REALLY wanted, I'm sure that if we were there the same time, I'm sure I could talk Pat into letting me give you a ride in the car above ('cause I'm sure that's all you're thinking about:rofl:).

I'm sure Gary M. (lives in the Springs) could give you better information about the SHO. IIRC, he used to be an engineer at Ford at the time and wrote the altitude timing tables for the car. I had him shim my transmission to handle more power. He's also working on an extremely clean build of an SVO Mustang sitting right underneath his boosted SHO that hasn't moved in years.

[srt-4_uk]

13.2@116. That is impressive for 520whp.

[millertime]

mid october, 19th through the 22nd i think. that's not for sure but that's what i'm shooting for, and yeah that might be fun. My cousin would want to go too, he's a big motorhead as well, owns a first and second gen rx7, a 4th gen celica, and a honda s2000.

Jeff Sparkman pulled these numbers for the '89-91 cars out of the cobwebs: Cd (coefficient of drag) 0.38 and frontal area 23.2 sq. ft.

Someone (who prefers to remain anonymous) later mailed me, and claims to of worked directly with wind tunnel testing of an '89 SHO. They report the Cd to be .33 and confirmed the frontal area number above.

I love how he wants to remain annonymous. No offense, but i'll go with the
.38 as that has been verified by someone that is willing to put their name behind them. if the .33 numbers are verified by someone else then i'll believe it.

but seeing as how a 92 crown vic has a cd of .33 it is possible
alley's viper has a cd of .45
my FD has a CD of .29!
oh, and the Hummer H2 is sitting at .57,
and yes i realize sometimes a higher CD is better, it adds traction, which is why an F1 car is so rediculously high.
eh, it's too ****ing complicated for me to think about at 11:47
yeah, i know it's from wikipedia, and i'll check the sources when I get a chance and i'm not this tired, damn 9:30 classes and a four hour studio during my nap time. anyways, here's the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficients

[millertime]

13.2@116. That is impressive for 520whp.

agreed, rather sad if you ask me

[yamahaSHO]

mid october, 19th through the 22nd i think. that's not for sure but that's what i'm shooting for, and yeah that might be fun. My cousin would want to go too, he's a big motorhead as well, owns a first and second gen rx7, a 4th gen celica, and a honda s2000.



I'll have to check my UTA schedule and I'll see if it works out. Pat actually has two SC SHO's (the the "street SHO" put down 445whp on the stock long block) and a Dinan TT 750iL, however, I think he's been thinking of selling everything.


I love how he wants to remain annonymous. No offense, but i'll go with the
.38 as that has been verified by someone that is willing to put their name behind them. if the .33 numbers are verified by someone else then i'll believe it.

but seeing as how a 92 crown vic has a cd of .33 it is possible
alley's viper has a cd of .45
my FD has a CD of .29!
oh, and the Hummer H2 is sitting at .57,
and yes i realize sometimes a higher CD is better, it adds traction, which is why an F1 car is so rediculously high.
eh, it's too ****ing complicated for me to think about at 11:47
yeah, i know it's from wikipedia, and i'll check the sources when I get a chance and i'm not this tired, damn 9:30 classes and a four hour studio during my nap time. anyways, here's the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficients

A byproduct of downforce will increase Cd, however, a Hummer isn't falling in that category:rofl:. I'm sure you weren't trying to say that...

I am not arguing either way with the SHO. It's be widely known on the SHO Forum that the Cd is actually decent (some of the older SHO guys were actually involved with Ford at the time), but I don't really pay that much attention. I'll never go that fast... I won't risk it illegally and I don't have enough safety equipment to try it on any type of course. I never raced Pat's
SHO in my car, but I know it pulls harder than mine by a large margin.

[yamahaSHO]

13.2@116. That is impressive for 520whp.

agreed, rather sad if you ask me

Heat, high altitude, poor driving (granny shifting) and FWD pig will do that to you. (There have been SHO's knocking on the 12 second door with far less power). Pat, like me, enjoys turns, so his fun is had there.

/hijack - Even I'm tired of SHO's :)

[srt-4_uk]

I dont care what the conditions are, those times signify a shitty driver and a car with no under the curve power. I saw a neon with 345hp on stock tires pull a 13.5@115 at Kearney with a 2.4 or 2.5 60ft.

[millertime]

yeah, the hummer weighs a **** ton but is slightly more aerodynamic to make up for it so the gas mileage isn't as bad as it could be.

[millertime]

not like it matters, it isn't aerodynamic for ****.

[yamahaSHO]

I dont care what the conditions are, those times signify a shitty driver and a car with no under the curve power. I saw a neon with 345hp on stock tires pull a 13.5@115 at Kearney with a 2.4 or 2.5 60ft.



Now add another 4,000 ft altitude on that and see what it runs...

I've already stated that he wasn't driving to beat the car. NHRA altitude corrections it at around 12.41 @ 122.5 mph (with the lesser correction factor). Even though people know altitude causes power loss, many do not realize the extent of it (more so NA and SC). My last dyno had a correction factor of .24 in Fort Collins (which is lower in altitude than Denver).

[Toolman]

can a sho even get to 185? with a lack of aerodynamics and power i'm surprised one can even hit 150, if that.

I have been around 175mph in my car before, and it had a LOT left. But a completely stock 220hp manual trans SHO is only good for 144mph.

there is no way a sho can hold itself on the road at those speeds without a LOT of help.

The stock SHO came with z-rated tires, stiffer springs and dampers, and held to the road quite well at 140+, much better than many of it's contemporaries. My car is lowered, with stiffer aftermarket suspension, and handles high speed very well.

congrats, but I would like to know how he figured out teh CD on the sho, cuz I don't think there is anyway it is that aerodynamic, But what's the CD on a stock sho?
and 520 hp can take it to 175? how well is it still pulling and at what distance did it make that in how much time?

Quoted from Edmunds.com: "With an aerodynamic drag coefficient of only 0.29, the Sable was one of the slickest cars in the world"

Here is the full article: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=46007

Granted, the Taurus was slightly different than the Sable. The later model SHO's were cited as having a cd of .32, and the 96-99 models were lower still (I believe). I have numerous articles from MT, CD, HR, etc etc that agree with the low .30's cd number. In addition, many modded SHO's are lowered a number of inches, which will decrease their frontal area, adding to their ability to cut through the atmosphere quite well.

I can not speak for certain regarding the SHO pictured, but a SHO with less power (450whp) than that one holds a few records with the ECTA (the east coast landspeed organization, they run at the 'Maxton Mile). The particular car has ran a best of 170 or so in the standing mile, right on par with a C6 Z06 and Ford GT. I can only assume that the 520whp one would do even better. My goal, for my turbocharged car, is to break 180 in the mile next time out. Due to my much more generous TQ curve (in comparison to the centrifugal SC cars), I think I will reach my goal.

[millertime]

The particular car has ran a best of 170 or so in the standing mile, right on par with a C6 Z06 and Ford GT. I can only assume that the 520whp one would do even better. My goal, for my turbocharged car, is to break 180 in the mile next time out. Due to my much more generous TQ curve (in comparison to the centrifugal SC cars), I think I will reach my goal.

Bench racing at it's best.
wanna see what a 520 hp FD or 95 viper can do? Don't know about a viper, but a high 400 hp FD is a mid 10 sec car

[Thunder]

Bench racing at it's best.
wanna see what a 520 hp FD or 95 viper can do? Don't know about a viper, but a high 400 hp FD is a mid 10 sec car

:joe:

[millertime]

once again i know that's bench racing and it also depends on the set up, but still

[millertime]

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=229715&page=6
check the time slips

[yamahaSHO]

The particular car has ran a best of 170 or so in the standing mile, right on par with a C6 Z06 and Ford GT. I can only assume that the 520whp one would do even better. My goal, for my turbocharged car, is to break 180 in the mile next time out. Due to my much more generous TQ curve (in comparison to the centrifugal SC cars), I think I will reach my goal.

Bench racing at it's best.
wanna see what a 520 hp FD or 95 viper can do? Don't know about a viper, but a high 400 hp FD is a mid 10 sec car

I don't really know what you're trying to prove. We are well aware of this and Tim is talking about when he runs the full mile, not just 1/4 of it.

How much does th RX-7 weigh? Considering it's a smaller car and uses a Wankle, I'm guessing it is probably nearly 1,000lbs lighter than any of our cars.

[Alley]

Viper is a mid 13 car at best.

[Toolman]

The particular car has ran a best of 170 or so in the standing mile, right on par with a C6 Z06 and Ford GT. I can only assume that the 520whp one would do even better. My goal, for my turbocharged car, is to break 180 in the mile next time out. Due to my much more generous TQ curve (in comparison to the centrifugal SC cars), I think I will reach my goal.

Bench racing at it's best.
wanna see what a 520 hp FD or 95 viper can do? Don't know about a viper, but a high 400 hp FD is a mid 10 sec car

Bench racing? I simply answered your qeustion: "520 hp can take it to 175? how well is it still pulling and at what distance did it make that in how much time?"

I have personally seen a lesser powered car do 170 in the standing mile. An extra 60-70whp will certainly increase it's speed. And I have personally witnessed a number of Vipers (none stock) run the mile and half-mile. A 95 Viper with 520whp will likely not run much over 170 in the mile. Granted, the SORC has elevation as a factor, but a VERY well built 04 Viper (609 rwhp 609 rwtq) ran 178 there last year. The forced induction Vipers do very well. There has never been an FD at the SORC to my knowledge. But I have seen some running at Bonneville.