terrorism talk inside

[coop]

i wanted to put this in here cuz that other thread is a cluster****....


who else thinks that the "terrorists" aka anyone who doesnt think like christian americans.....actually won by america invading?

1. depleted US money...dollar to ****....debt all time high
2. created a severe separation of mentalities on american soil
3. created an environment conducive to terrorism by eliminating the dictator
4. showed lack of skill in finding 1 guy in a bunch of hills

[MadmaX]

I don't think anybody wins

[coop]

by winning i mean they are further along in their plan if US would have done nothing.....

and you are losing your American spirit....life is about winning....no matter what.....

[MadmaX]

I'm not sure having to worry about a satellite targeted cruise missile taking you out 24 hours a day is exactly a win.

[coop]

We have that same worry, but we are oblivious to the fact. Ignorance is bliss.

[MadmaX]

I disagree. Enlighten me?

[coop]

Other countries have weapons. That should answer the questions you might have.

[82355]

I was against war from September 12th, 2001.

Martin

[82355]

Technically, I remember not liking Desert Storm.

Martin

[coop]

^ thats terrorist talk right there

[82355]

I dislike violence. Is that terroristic? I also dislike forcing ones ideas onto another person against their will.

Martin

[coop]

I am joking.

[82355]

I know.

Martin

[MadmaX]

Do you believe the Muslim extremists we are hunting share your "live and let live" philosophy?

[82355]

Do you believe two wrongs make a right?

Martin

[82355]

Do you believe the Muslim extremists we are hunting share your "live and let live" philosophy?

Also, why do you believe those extremists hate America in the first place?

Martin

[MadmaX]

Nope. Since this heavy handed(and I'm going to admit, imperfect) version of justice isn't your definition of "right". Go on with what is....

EDIT: you and your post blocking.

[MadmaX]

Do you believe the Muslim extremists we are hunting share your "live and let live" philosophy?

Also, why do you believe those extremists hate America in the first place?

Martin

I'm sure it says on their website.

[coop]

Do you believe the Muslim extremists we are hunting share your "live and let live" philosophy?

If you think of it in terms of nature. It is not good to be on the extremes unless it provides a competitive advantage to the species. In the terms of religious extremists whose objectives is to make everyone like themselves or die....i would say this is exactly opposite of what a species would want. Diversity allows for growth, yet a population with only extremes cannot survive (think bell curve for this one...why we all have 2 eyes etc...)....therefore what extremists think or do is often portrayed as bad and scary by the media and what not but killing 6k in a building hardly hurts the 6billion+ population.....

so to answer your question....it doesnt matter if they do or dont....

[Thunder]

hi, im here.

[coop]

finally....one of those muslim extremists

[Thunder]

grrrrr... i want to hug you..

i mean..

damnit i suck at my job.

[MadmaX]

Do you believe the Muslim extremists we are hunting share your "live and let live" philosophy?

If you think of it in terms of nature. It is not good to be on the extremes unless it provides a competitive advantage to the species. In the terms of religious extremists whose objectives is to make everyone like themselves or die....i would say this is exactly opposite of what a species would want. Diversity allows for growth, yet a population with only extremes cannot survive (think bell curve for this one...why we all have 2 eyes etc...)....therefore what extremists think or do is often portrayed as bad and scary by the media and what not but killing 6k in a building hardly hurts the 6billion+ population.....

so to answer your question....it doesnt matter if they do or dont....

I often try to tell people they need to consider the bigger picture. Which is why I'm hesitant to say this, but I think that's too big a picture.

[82355]

Do you believe the Muslim extremists we are hunting share your "live and let live" philosophy?

If you think of it in terms of nature. It is not good to be on the extremes unless it provides a competitive advantage to the species. In the terms of religious extremists whose objectives is to make everyone like themselves or die....i would say this is exactly opposite of what a species would want. Diversity allows for growth, yet a population with only extremes cannot survive (think bell curve for this one...why we all have 2 eyes etc...)....therefore what extremists think or do is often portrayed as bad and scary by the media and what not but killing 6k in a building hardly hurts the 6billion+ population.....

so to answer your question....it doesnt matter if they do or dont....

I often try to tell people they need to consider the bigger picture. Which is why I'm hesitant to say this, but I think that's too big a picture.

So you say that we should care about those few thousand people killed by terrorists seven years ago, but not about the many thousands of Americans killed by Americans, or Native Americans killed by Americans???

Martin

[David]

Do you believe two wrongs make a right?

Martin

you do, so why can't he?

[82355]

Do you believe two wrongs make a right?

Martin

you do, so why can't he?

Generally I don't.

Martin

[David]

Do you believe two wrongs make a right?

Martin

you do, so why can't he?

Generally I don't.

Martin
so you pick and chose when this is applicable ?

I believe that expression offers no varible and or exception. if you really believe two wrong don't make a right thenn shouldn't that apply in every situation?


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[MadmaX]

Do you believe the Muslim extremists we are hunting share your "live and let live" philosophy?

If you think of it in terms of nature. It is not good to be on the extremes unless it provides a competitive advantage to the species. In the terms of religious extremists whose objectives is to make everyone like themselves or die....i would say this is exactly opposite of what a species would want. Diversity allows for growth, yet a population with only extremes cannot survive (think bell curve for this one...why we all have 2 eyes etc...)....therefore what extremists think or do is often portrayed as bad and scary by the media and what not but killing 6k in a building hardly hurts the 6billion+ population.....

so to answer your question....it doesnt matter if they do or dont....

I often try to tell people they need to consider the bigger picture. Which is why I'm hesitant to say this, but I think that's too big a picture.

So you say that we should care about those few thousand people killed by terrorists seven years ago, but not about the many thousands of Americans killed by Americans, or Native Americans killed by Americans???

Martin

are either of the aforementioned incidents in danger of being repeated?

[coop]

absolutely.

[MadmaX]

oh man.

should we panic?

[coop]

we should since you are panicking about muslim extremists....

but should we panic about middle east extremists?

6k in 9/11/2001

200 on 4/16/1995 (not even "muslim")

and a few dozen here and there throughout history


wow...like 7-10k dead of a population of 300 million....we should def be panicking about muslim extremist....LULZ

[82355]

We don't have to panic because the muslim extremist are going to see what a great thing we have done in Iraq and not only are they going to accept democracy they are going to convert to Christianity as well.

[spoonraker]

I don't think anybody responsible for terrorist attacks had a "big picture" plan of lowering the dollar, hurting our economy, creating a separation in America, etc.

[Paul_N]

Do you believe two wrongs make a right?

Martin

you do, so why can't he?

Generally I don't.

Martin
so you pick and chose when this is applicable ?

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i think alot of people do this

[Paul_N]

i think every one is a terrorist

[spoonraker]

Coop, Martin, David, and I all in the same thread, you should all be scared.

[Paul_N]

Coop, Martin, David, and I all in the same thread, you should all be scared.

:rofl:

[David]

lol at spoons last post.. seriously spoon is right and yes im aware I said that.you can't honestly believe that everything resulting from 9/11 was a perfect plan for a guy who residence is under a rock?

[spoonraker]

Don't feel bad David, eventually I was bound to say something you would agree with.

[coop]

It is a good opinion by spoon although we are forgetting what the word "terrorism" actually means.....

its is to create fear into another....we live in fear MORE since the attacks...and because of that I do not think that terrorists did not expect a retaliation of some sort....retaliations cost money....they would expect us to pour resources into this "fight"

if you unaware of our bipartisan government system I am sorry....i think that even middle east terrorists are familar that there are two opposing bodies in our country and the creation of war would cause separation....it did in vietnam if you all forget.....

the basic foundation of terrorism on America is to destroy america....you start with a small action and let the country then tear itself apart....killing morale more than killing people

[spoonraker]

We are the ones who label them terrorists, not them.

And sure, I don't doubt that they know how our two party system works. I just don't think that 9/11's purpose was any bigger than killing a lot of people.

Lets say their plan all along was to hurt our economy, and make our president lose popularity, now what?

[coop]

We are the ones who label them terrorists, not them.

And sure, I don't doubt that they know how our two party system works. I just don't think that 9/11's purpose was any bigger than killing a lot of people.

Lets say their plan all along was to hurt our economy, and make our president lose popularity, now what?

it wasnt to hurt our economy or make our president lose popularity....it was to destroy morale and create fear


how do you destroy morale? one way is to tell people that their george washington 1 dollar bill is worth 70 cents now....

[David]

you go on lots of trips ooutta the country coop? like somewhere were you use euros?

if the dollar worries you so much move to europe.

im not scared or worried about the mighty dollar why are you? you seem to be the one most worried about what the terrorists have done. I live my life and post on scr.

did the terrorists make gas $4 a gallon? cuz high gas prices scare americans more than planes..

[David]

wait I thought we went to iraq for cheap gas wtf happened? its double the price now! its those damn terrorists running the gas stations isn't it..

[82355]

There was no intention of cheap gas for the general public. There was lots of money to be made by a very select few though.

[spoonraker]

I just talked to a car dealer and his name was "Muhammad", I'm no longer interested in doing business with him.

:turbin:

[MadmaX]

how do you destroy morale? one way is to tell people that their george washington 1 dollar bill is worth 70 cents now....

I think you're misrepresenting that situation.

[Paul_N]

wow i ain't gonna worry

by the time USA= shiet

ii'll be dead

[AeroSS_87]

hi, im here.

JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

:lost: :ohnoes: :lost: :ohnoes: :lost: :ohnoes:
:lost: :ohnoes: :lost: :ohnoes: :lost: :ohnoes:
:lost: :ohnoes: :lost: :ohnoes: :lost: :ohnoes:

[coop]

There was no intention of cheap gas for the general public. There was lots of money to be made by a very select few though.

x2


we went to iraq to secure some peoples futures.....why would you lower gas prices? that cuts into profit......btw exxon just set another record breaking profit quarter of 11billion.....it owns all top 10 records on profit for all business


idk what you are talking about david.....who said we attacked for cheaper gas?

[David]

im pretty sure you did.

but whatever works for you.. you can feel safer today though coop....dollar gained on the euro today.:lost: idk what god to thank for it...please advise me, im so confused about all this oil money and religion.

[David]

so please make the connection between record earnings and the war... im very interested in your wisdom.

[coop]

so please make the connection between record earnings and the war... im very interested in your wisdom.

huh?

i never said we went into Iraq for cheaper gas.....we went into iraq to secure oil....so that certain people who had stock in oil would make more money.....


you said it was supposed to bring down gas prices.....idk about that connection so i guess you can explain that to yourself

[coop]

oh i dont live in fear....like i said at the beginning...7k killed compared to the rising 300+ million population....OMG IM SCARED that Crete, NE might be gone over the next 50 years.....

its a fkn drop of water in an ocean.....not going to be missed

[David]

so please make the connection between record earnings and the war... im very interested in your wisdom.

huh?

i never said we went into Iraq for cheaper gas.....we went into iraq to secure oil....so that certain people who had stock in oil would make more money.....


you said it was supposed to bring down gas prices.....idk about that connection so i guess you can explain that to yourself

You completely ignored my post.

Do i have to quote you bringing up exxon's profit? Btw, BP also reported record earnings last week OMG. If was about securing oil for some then who? The oil companies and those that run/own stock in them? ok... please make the connection between today's record earnings and the oil in Iraq.

Thanks

[coop]

unexplored oil is up for bid in iraq.....most likely it will be large UK/US business (bp and exxon) and Saudi Arabia oil companies that will win those bids...

[coop]

record earnings show that there is no truth in your statement that US went into Iraq to lower gas prices....i still dont know why you would say that....its counterintuitive

[David]

So because the largest oil companies and the most likely winners of those bids will be US/UK companies, thats how you came up with that?

So how are these likely contracts with likely winners causing record earnings today?

[coop]

So because the largest oil companies and the most likely winners of those bids will be US/UK companies, thats how you came up with that?

So how are these likely contracts with likely winners causing record earnings today?

i never said earnings today have to do with contracts....wtf is going on?

i just brought that up as a sidenote that prices are not going down....for reasons that have nothing to do with supply and demand....but rather gouging....

and that wont change when these same companies get the iraq oil....

[David]

record earnings show that there is no truth in your statement that US went into Iraq to lower gas prices....i still dont know why you would say that....its counterintuitive

I never said the US went into Iraq for oil or gas prices. I stated what i'm pretty sure you have made claim to. I dont' care to spend hours searching for said post so i'm just going to drop that since you disagree with that post.


Regardless your posts indicates that the war is still over oil, but rather no to reduce fuel cost but to make the rich richer.

[David]

So because the largest oil companies and the most likely winners of those bids will be US/UK companies, thats how you came up with that?

So how are these likely contracts with likely winners causing record earnings today?

i never said earnings today have to do with contracts....wtf is going on?

i just brought that up as a sidenote that prices are not going down....for reasons that have nothing to do with supply and demand....but rather gouging....

So prices would go up without said iraq contract then?

[coop]

record earnings show that there is no truth in your statement that US went into Iraq to lower gas prices....i still dont know why you would say that....its counterintuitive

I never said the US went into Iraq for oil or gas prices. I stated what i'm pretty sure you have made claim to. I dont' care to spend hours searching for said post so i'm just going to drop that since you disagree with that post.


Regardless your posts indicates that the war is still over oil, but rather no to reduce fuel cost but to make the rich richer.

yep never said that....lots of republican people who were pro war on this site said "woohoo prices of gas will go down".....i just laughed at that when they said it....


the war was not solely about oil.....just like the civil war that martin likes to site was not soley about slavery

[coop]

So because the largest oil companies and the most likely winners of those bids will be US/UK companies, thats how you came up with that?

So how are these likely contracts with likely winners causing record earnings today?

i never said earnings today have to do with contracts....wtf is going on?

i just brought that up as a sidenote that prices are not going down....for reasons that have nothing to do with supply and demand....but rather gouging....

So prices would go up without said iraq contract then?

yes in the long run....as long as oil companies tell us that oil is scarce/running out....they can justify the increase in gas prices....

[David]

There was no intention of cheap gas for the general public. There was lots of money to be made by a very select few though.

x2


we went to iraq to secure some peoples futures.....why would you lower gas prices? that cuts into profit......btw exxon just set another record breaking profit quarter of 11billion.....it owns all top 10 records on profit for all business


idk what you are talking about david.....who said we attacked for cheaper gas?


You just answered this question in the last post. Apparently i had you confused with someone else.

You are making a post after martin where he mentions There was lots of money to be made by a very select few though

you even quoted and agreed with the post x2. who are these people? stock holders?

[David]

So because the largest oil companies and the most likely winners of those bids will be US/UK companies, thats how you came up with that?

So how are these likely contracts with likely winners causing record earnings today?

i never said earnings today have to do with contracts....wtf is going on?

i just brought that up as a sidenote that prices are not going down....for reasons that have nothing to do with supply and demand....but rather gouging....

So prices would go up without said iraq contract then?

yes in the long run....as long as oil companies tell us that oil is scarce/running out....they can justify the increase in gas prices....

It's not about scarity, supply or demand... This is funny now.

[coop]

There was no intention of cheap gas for the general public. There was lots of money to be made by a very select few though.

x2


we went to iraq to secure some peoples futures.....why would you lower gas prices? that cuts into profit......btw exxon just set another record breaking profit quarter of 11billion.....it owns all top 10 records on profit for all business


idk what you are talking about david.....who said we attacked for cheaper gas?


You just answered this question in the last post. Apparently i had you confused with someone else.

You are making a post after martin where he mentions There was lots of money to be made by a very select few though

you even quoted and agreed with the post x2. who are these people? stock holders?

people in the oil business outside of iraq had lots to gain by US invading. I do not think this is solely US and GW. Saudi Arabia and England have lots to gain as well.

Yes its people who are vesting in Oil companies have the most to gain. I think that is pretty self explanatory since Iraq has oil fields and they are for sale.

[David]

So because the people of Iraq made the decision to rebuild their country with their best resource and because US/UK companies will profit from their decision proves that we went to iraq for oil? well that makes perfect sense.

[coop]

Freeing up oil should not be confused with lower gas prices.

[David]

Freeing up oil should not be confused with lower gas prices.


we are stating the obvious now? k



again, oil prices have nothing to do with supply or demand, which you stated. I agree with that.

So coop, since we are completly off topic to the OP which is an opinion. You must know why oil prices are what they are. Could you please expand on why exxon and other companies continue to post such record earnings. I'd really rather here a fact if you don't mind.

[82355]

the war was not solely about oil.....just like the civil war that martin likes to site was not soley about slavery

It was actually not in the least little bit about slavery.

Martin

[coop]

Freeing up oil should not be confused with lower gas prices.


we are stating the obvious now? k



again, oil prices have nothing to do with supply or demand, which you stated. I agree with that.

So coop, since we are completly off topic to the OP which is an opinion. You must know why oil prices are what they are. Could you please expand on why exxon and other companies continue to post such record earnings. I'd really rather here a fact if you don't mind.

1. Demand is up.
2. They 3rd party lots of their crude oil
3. Buybacks and kickbacks to shareholders to keep money in the company.

[82355]

Maybe because of China and India??? How about the FACT that oil is sold in terms of American Dollars. The dollar is worth nothing, so oil prices go up for us, not so much for others.

Martin

[coop]

the war was not solely about oil.....just like the civil war that martin likes to site was not soley about slavery

It was actually not in the least little bit about slavery.

Martin

I kind of disagree. It was about expanding agriculture in the South and the South wanted to use slaves to man the fields. It is not hte sole reason but it is a reason.

Well, a side product of a main reason.

[82355]

How about the fact that the North was raping the South through tariffs and the South didn't want to pay for Northern industries, kickbacks, canals and railways??? It was no different than the American revolution, except the wrong side won.

Martin

[82355]

Slavery was about to the end of it's usefulness. A tractor > slave.

Martin

[David]

Freeing up oil should not be confused with lower gas prices.


we are stating the obvious now? k



again, oil prices have nothing to do with supply or demand, which you stated. I agree with that.

So coop, since we are completly off topic to the OP which is an opinion. You must know why oil prices are what they are. Could you please expand on why exxon and other companies continue to post such record earnings. I'd really rather here a fact if you don't mind.

1. Demand is up.
2. They 3rd party lots of their crude oil
3. Buybacks and kickbacks to shareholders to keep money in the company.

Yellow?

[coop]

How about the fact that the North was raping the South through tariffs and the South didn't want to pay for Northern industries, kickbacks, canals and railways??? It was no different than the American revolution, except the wrong side won.

Martin

Right. I agree. I am saying that in order for the south to be prosperous seeing that it didnt have industry was to have agriculture. In order to expand this and generate revenue they needed slaves. North was not allowing them to expand and to use slaves to man this expansion.


It had a role, a minor one.

[coop]

Yellow?

nope.

[82355]

The South was a large minority in the Federal government, yet footed I believe 80% of it's funding. Tell me that wouldn't annoy you? I am not sure why California hasn't yet seceded?

Martin

[coop]

The South was a large minority in the Federal government, yet footed I believe 80% of it's funding. Tell me that wouldn't annoy you? I am not sure why California hasn't yet seceded?

Martin

And I dont understand why US doesnt sucede from Florida. All that money going out in the form of Social Security to those old people who give nothing back in return.

[82355]

hahahaha

Martin

[86Shelby]

The South was a large minority in the Federal government, yet footed I believe 80% of it's funding. Tell me that wouldn't annoy you? I am not sure why California hasn't yet seceded?

Martin

That was the main reason. The northerners (republicans) had complete control of congress, they could and did pass anything they wanted without one single vote from the south. The presidential election that Abe won simply solidified that and brought it to a boil. The democrats were so divided with thier presidential prospects (Douglas, Davis, et all) that they didn't stand a chance of winning since Abe was the only one that really had widespread support; which was from the north.

[David]

Yellow?

nope.


wow, that almost completely violates what i think i know is the cause of today's oil prices... Can you please provide me with some kind of outside source explaination to your short answer explaination. I dont' want to trouble you with lengthy explainations for my ignorance, i'd rather just read it from the same source you gathered that from. Thanks, I really appreciate it.

[David]

agrr

[86Shelby]

^^pirate

[82355]

Pretty much. So like I said earlier, there was no difference between it and the American Revolution. No taxation without representation. The Confederates States of America actually had a quite nice constitution that highly limited the central government. I find it funny that Republicans talk about small government, when their parties is responsible for big government.

Martin

[82355]

butt pirate?

Martin

[coop]

u can google exxon profit.....im pretty sure many articles say that they 3rd party their oil and that they give kickback incentives to shareholders......i dont want to go look for an article that says it

[David]

ok.. the first result was this..

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news/companies/exxon_earnings/

it's from feb 08. sorry this is not discussing their most recent quarter but the one prior...

Exxon attributed its impressive results to strong performance across its divisions, but a large part of the profit surge was underpinned by climbing oil prices.

[coop]

right.

I said it was mostly from gouging in one of these threads earlier today. Idk where. im too lazy to look.

[David]

I'm getting really lazy too, to lazy and tired to continue. I'm going to float around the rest of the site until i've cleared it and then i'm going to look at more houses. I got the winning bid on the house but had to withdraw my offer afterwards after new information was introduced and they countered back. Unless you own 1% of exxon and could lend me $30k?

[coop]

second lien huh?

[David]

no, but long story short, they don't want to work with my va loan and if i dont' use VA i need $30k to cover closing, the difference of the value vs my bid and the initial cost to fix the interior (carpet and paint)

I told my agent to tell him to let them know i'll make another offer if they come down 10k and will accept my va loan.

Thats the short version. I've charged my battery 2x's in the last 15 hours and charging again right now.

As if that stress wasn't bad enough, wedding is less than a month away, honeymoon imediatly after, I have my AFOQT test in 2 weeks, i have to turn in my final paper and give my presentation to my class and several others in 3 weeks.

Coop can i have a hug?

[coop]

gotcha....MDS for repair monies

[David]

actually the vette money was suppose to cover repairs.

[Paul_N]

omfg